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long term deal for hardy was never in the plans

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Then you assume too much. The WR market was filled with guys like Decker who got overpaid. What? You think an extra 13 million would have persuaded Nicks to join us after taking less with The Colts?

 

The fact is we're repeating what got us to the dance in the first place. Defense, possession, and the run game.

 

Decker is a poor example.  He only got $15M guaranteed.  The Jets can walk away from that contract after two years with no penalty.  They got a good deal on Decker.

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yeah, having 18mil tied up in rb's and a lb year after year isn't the same as keeping much more than a luxury in Hardy for 1 year..

 

 

the only spot I'm really concerned with is LT..  we'll have to see how that shakes out.  If they get some picks for Hardy then that's a major plus..

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Then you assume too much. The WR market was filled with guys like Decker who got overpaid. What? You think an extra 13 million would have persuaded Nicks to join us after taking less with The Colts?

 

The fact is we're repeating what got us to the dance in the first place. Defense, possession, and the run game.

You act like that's our only weakness. Other than WR, Offensive tackle and depth as well as CB are our weak points as well. We could've gotten at least 3 solid players to help in any of those areas.

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Decker is barely a #2. He got exposed big time at the Super Bowl. I'm not so sure if it was a good deal.

 

Decker's a damn good WR.  That entire Denver offense got schooled in that SB.  Can't just blame it on one WR.  You tried to make a point and picked a bad example.  It happens to all of us.

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Keep in mind we had to apply the tag to Hardy before the draft. There was no guarantee we would get Ealy at that point.

 

Also, you cannot equate overpaying for RB's with DE's. One is a premium position (DE), the other is not.

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not a fan of renting a guy in his prime for a year, hopefully something will get done. to play devils advocate, continuity could have been bringing back some of those DBs that signed else where such as Mitchell and Captain. it does not pertain only to the DL.

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Didnt plan to sign him long term this offseason, maybe giving him a prove it season

 

If it was never in the plans, then why were we trying to negotiate a long-term contract prior to tagging him?  Virtually all sources were reporting that and several made reports hinting at ongoing negotiations after the tag, including sourcing Gettleman comments on the matter.

 

Like I said, I think we're trying to act like the arrest was no big deal in terms of impacting our long-term plans, but in trying to play it off we're actually making ourselves look even worse.  IMO, the arrest definitely directly impacted our plans regarding Hardy and I'm not sure why we don't just admit that.  It makes a lot of sense and no one would blame us for calling an audible after that.

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I don't understand why we franchised him if we didn't plan to sign him long term or try to trade him. Everyone points to the RB contracts and Beason as limiting our cap mobility, but that Hardy tag is HUGE this year. We may just be setting ourselves up to get Julius'd again.

Hardy wanted so much money up front that his cap hit would likely have been 8 million in 2014 with a huge signing bonus.  This way we pay roughly 5 more with no up front money, no dead cap hit and he has to play like it is contract year which it is.  A long term deal could have been done but he wasn't reasonable in his demands.  I heard rumors that Gettleman wasn't sold on his emotional stability and wasn't going to risk a ton of money on him until he shows he can handle success and do it again.

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I'm sure someone would fire at Gman.

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The way I see it, whenever a 25 y/o has the opportunity to make massive money and make a name for himself is given a DE franchise tag will hopefully have some fricken motivation to wreck sh*t this season...especially if he knows the team is cap strapped and it may be a league audition of sorts.  Only positives..

 

..but Kony is the one I'm watching b/c even given the value, it was still a questionable pick imho.    

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The way I see it, whenever a 25 y/o has the opportunity to make massive money and make a name for himself is given a DE franchise tag will hopefully have some fricken motivation to wreck sh*t this season...especially if he knows the team is cap strapped and it may be a league audition of sorts.  Only positives..

 

..but Kony is the one I'm watching b/c even given the value, it was still a questionable pick imho.    

 

I don't see the Ealy pick as questionable.  Hardy is playing under the franchise tag and CJ has a massive cap hit.  No matter what happens, I don't think Gettleman had any plans of both of them being here after this season.  I honestly think the plan was to keep Hardy long-term and make CJ a cap casualty, then Hardy had to go and get himself arrested and now the Panthers are backpedaling and acting like Hardy was never in the long-term plans and making themselves look like a bunch of amateur hacks in the process.

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