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#1 Mr. Scot

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 02:22 PM

I think this is why characters like Deadpool. Ghost Rider and The Punisher never quite seem to be 'captured' in big budget movies, whereas short features like "Deadpool" and "Dirty Laundry" bring them to life as you'd imagine them.

 

I think the studios just need to accept that if you're going to get these characters right, you've got to accept the R rating.

 

Now, it could be argued that Wolverine is an exception to this rule.  Likewise, some will point to Batman, but does Batman truly qualify as an antihero?

 

You tell me.



#2 teeray

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 02:24 PM

Yeah, they always fug up stand alone Hulk movies too.

TV has been doing a great job with antiheroes though

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 02:37 PM

Network TV has problem with antiheros. Usually becasue they're constantly trying to apologize for the characters behavior. The best antiheros right now are on cable.



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 03:10 PM

I know most people trash them, but I liked things about both Punisher movies.

If you think about it, the comics themselves wouldn't really generate an R rating. Why should the movie?

 



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 03:14 PM

I know most people trash them, but I liked things about both Punisher movies.

If you think about it, the comics themselves wouldn't really generate an R rating. Why should the movie?

 

 

 

Original cut of Thomas Jane was R because of the violence



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 03:20 PM

I know. War Zone was R.

But, would the comics have been considered R?

Read a Walking Dead comic. Those should be R if it translated to screen correctly.

Basically, a Punisher comic could be an episode of the A Team if you want to get all particular.
 



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 04:11 PM

Unless you're talking specifically about the comic book genre I think Hollywood has given us our fair share of quality antiheroes

 

Richard Riddick
John McClane
Gordon Gecko
Tony Montana
Luke Jackson
Harry Callahan
Travis Bickle

The Man with No Name (Eastwood's character from the Spaghetti Westerns)

Fast Eddie Felson


Edited by Inimicus, 31 July 2014 - 04:11 PM.


#8 TheRed

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 04:25 PM

I know most people trash them, but I liked things about both Punisher movies.

If you think about it, the comics themselves wouldn't really generate an R rating. Why should the movie?

 

Didn't care for the sequel, but I liked Thomas Jane in the role of the first one. Travolta as the villain was the first mistake.



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 04:54 PM

Unless you're talking specifically about the comic book genre I think Hollywood has given us our fair share of quality antiheroes

 

Richard Riddick
John McClane
Gordon Gecko
Tony Montana
Luke Jackson
Harry Callahan
Travis Bickle

The Man with No Name (Eastwood's character from the Spaghetti Westerns)

Fast Eddie Felson

 

Probably should have specified comic book antiheroes.  My fault.



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 04:54 PM

Original cut of Thomas Jane was R because of the violence

 

If any of the rest of it was like that final scene, it should have been rated R.



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 10:20 PM

If any of the rest of it was like that final scene, it should have been rated R.


CBMs rarely ever get R ratings. Studios hate the idea simply because they never make money.

The Thomas Jane version had do much potential. Shame it got so watered down.

#12 Zaximus

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 07:39 AM

Gritty comic characters need to be on a show, on cable or hbo/Netflix.  I think the Marvel shows will be decent on Netflix and be more gritty.

 

Also you have to remember that Disney owns Marvel now, so the chances of an R-rated film for their people are slim (even though I know Fox has Deadpool, etc). 



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Posted 24 August 2014 - 07:41 PM

I fully agree, Batman is CLEARLY an anti-hero if you read the comics.

 

Wolverine is NOT an exception...how much better would he be had they accepted the R rating?

 

Spawn was almost on point with the comics...and was R. I didn't like the actor but the characters like the clown were true to the comic book nature.

Most comics even books but especially comics tend to be very 'adult' written and I think when making a movie it should stay that way.

 

Again I agree 100%, I think these kinds of movies should be made first and rated later...instead of made with a rating in mind. I don't know if they do that but it sure seems like it.

 

 


Edited by Lumps, 24 August 2014 - 07:43 PM.


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Posted 24 August 2014 - 07:43 PM

I know. War Zone was R.

But, would the comics have been considered R?

Read a Walking Dead comic. Those should be R if it translated to screen correctly.

Basically, a Punisher comic could be an episode of the A Team if you want to get all particular.
 

 

I read a lot of comics, sort of a nerd in that sense and teh Punisher movies are a JOKE.

 

Punisher should most certainley be an R rated movie if done properly.



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Posted 24 August 2014 - 10:24 PM

They better not fug up Metal Gear Solid. Gonna be hard with Hideo Kojima keeping a close eye on it though.




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