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#766 TheRed

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 11:54 AM

Excessive force depends on a lot of things. The north Hollywood bank robbers were shot multiple times (11 and 29 times respectively). Stopping the threat is what is most important. If it takes 1 shot or 30, that's what it takes.

 

As for being unarmed, I'm not so sure that really applies any longer in our society. Depending on the level of martial arts, self defense, MMA, or other type of hand to hand combat training, someone can be "armed" with the ability to cause lethal harm with use of only their body. That information can't be obtained just by looking at someone. After the fact knowledge is always great, but in a situation where someone kept approaching after being issued a warning to stop, I wouldn't assume I am in no danger just because a person doesn't have a visible weapon. 

 

I am not in any way saying what this officer did was justified in any way, because I don't know if he was or not. The investigation hasn't been finished and if the guy is guilty of committing murder, then he needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. If it turns out he was justified and is cleared, again, not saying he was, then I expect a lot more than just looting and rioting. 

 

Eh, weren't those bank robbers armed with automatic weapons?

 

What does that have to do with an unarmed kid being gunned down in the street?



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 11:59 AM

Eh, weren't those bank robbers armed with automatic weapons?

 

What does that have to do with an unarmed kid being gunned down in the street?

 

You said 6 shots was excessive force. I was providing an instance where 6 shots was not enough force to stop someone. 



#768 SZ James (banned)

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 11:59 AM

Eh, weren't those bank robbers armed with automatic weapons?

What does that have to do with an unarmed kid being gunned down in the street?

The NĂ©gro doesn't have to be armed. His fists are deadly even from 35 feet away.

Edited by SZ James, 18 August 2014 - 12:00 PM.


#769 TheRed

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 11:59 AM

Also, martial arts? Really?

 

This was all I pictured after reading that comment.

 



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:02 PM

You said 6 shots was excessive force. I was providing an instance where 6 shots was not enough force to stop someone. 

 

How is that even a comparison? You are talking about a situation where two heavily armed grown men were shooting at police officers.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:06 PM

How is that even a comparison? You are talking about a situation where two heavily armed grown men were shooting at police officers.


Not to mention that they were wearing total cover steel plate body armor.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:07 PM

Is there not a standard fire a warning shot in the air if someone is unarmed? And call me crazy but im not going to run towards someone shooting at me.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:09 PM

Taser is only good if person stays still and close to you (with taser u only got 1 shot). They usually use taser when suspect is resisting arrest. In Brown case he was 20-30 yards out so taser is a bad choice.

They have a new shotgun shell that is a self enclosed taser round that shoot up to 100ft. They can also reload and shoot another one like a pump action shotgun. They need to really give cops more non lethal options!

http://investor.tase...eleaseID=720004

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#774 SZ James (banned)

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:11 PM

Not official yet but toxicology found marjuana in his blood as predicted, shooting justified. And to think people want that devil plant legalized.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:14 PM

Is there not a standard fire a warning shot in the air if someone is unarmed? And call me crazy but im not going to run towards someone shooting at me.

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Talking to my friends on police, they have engagement rules and they can't fire warning shots. Also, they use a double tap method for shooting where they go of kill shots by training, so no shots to legs to just incapacitate person. That's the training and maybe that needs to change,

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:15 PM

I am not comparing the two instances as far as the reason for the shooting. I am comparing "excessive force." What may be excessive in one instance may not be in another. It all depends on the circumstance and the individuals involved. In this instance it may have been excessive and completely unjustified. The point I was making is that the purpose of any defensive shooting is to stop the threat. Once the threat is stopped, any shots fired after that point are excessive. 

 

 



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:19 PM

 

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:27 PM

 

"Dress for the job you have, not the one you wish you had."

 

I'd agree with this if the Ferguson scenes didn't resemble a war zone. 
 



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:28 PM

35)]"Dress for the job you have, not the one you wish you had."[/color]


Watched this earlier tis morning, the part that really stuck out was:

Black population in Feruson 63%
86% of police stops
92% of police searches
93% of arrests

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:34 PM

I'd agree with this if the Ferguson scenes didn't resemble a war zone.

 

Yes because police driving around in military style vehicles and dressed in military fatigues while shooting tear gas everywhere helped.


Edited by TheRed, 18 August 2014 - 12:36 PM.



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