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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes, most players tend to improve after their rookie season.

Funchess didn't.

So sohpmore slump doesn't happen regularly..

It's a term i just made up here.. Instead of something that happens so regularly that it is almost expected..

Better Year Cam's rookie year or 2nd year??

Better year Matt Ryans rookie year or 2nd year??

How about we make a list and see which one is longer..

Sohpmore slump players or players who had a better 2nd year than their 1st

Rg3.

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Just now, WOW!! said:

So sohpmore slump doesn't happen regularly..

It's a term i just made up here.. Instead of something that happens so regularly that it is almost expected..

Better Year Cam's rookie year or 2nd year??

Better year Matt Ryans rookie year or 2nd year??

How about we make a list and see which one is longer..

Sohpmore slump players or players who had a better 2nd year than their 1st

Rg3.

Now we're comparing QBs to WRs?

Funchess didn't really slump, he just didn't get a bit better. 

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

All of that? A decently educated person could read that in 20 seconds.

Are you going to attempt to argue your point or are we done here?

Are you going to quit acting like you spent 3 semesters at Hogsworth??

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Now we're comparing QBs to WRs?

Funchess didn't really slump, he just didn't get a bit better. 

No what you don't realize is the whole offense slumped due to injuries.. So it's kinda hard to blame the youngest most inexperinece member for not getting better..

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1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

Are you going to quit acting like you spent 3 semesters at Hogsworth??

1st

I think the word you were looking for there was "Hogwarts".

I have produced ample arguments for why I think the Panthers should not be counting on Funchess to dramatically improve. Citing Fuchess' opportunities in terms of snaps, targets, and percentages of snaps targeted. Particularly when compared to Philly Brown who Funchess was closest to in snap count last season.

Other than age and presumably the tendency of young QBs to have a sophomore slump, why should Panthers fans be expecting a big jump forward for Funchess? What have you seen from him to make you think this is likely?

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I think the word you were looking for there was "Hogwarts".

I have produced ample arguments for why I think the Panthers should not be counting on Funchess to dramatically improve. Citing Fuchess' opportunities in terms of snaps, targets, and percentages of snaps targeted. Particularly when compared to Philly Brown who Funchess was closest to in snap count last season.

Other than age and presumably the tendency of young QBs to have a sophomore slump, why should Panthers fans be expecting a big jump forward for Funchess? What have you seen from him to make you think this is likely?

I just said ..

1. Usely take 2 to 3 years for WR to get the game.. not to mention we're talking about a player making a position change not just a level up in competition..

2. The whole offense suckef last year so expecting him developed in that situation is a little harsh..

3. I  think the whole offense will imporve based on a healthy oline with more depth alone..

4. Already hearing reports on how he is killing it and putting in more work this offseason..

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1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

No what you don't realize is the whole offense slumped due to injuries.. So it's kinda hard to blame the youngest most inexperinece member for not getting better..

I don't blame him for the offense as a whole, but I certainly do put a healthy amount of blame on him for catching less than 40% of the passes thrown his way.

Ginn and Olsen largely did what they do. Hell, Ginn actually had his highest catch percentage, catches, and yardage of all of his three seasons as a Panther. Olsen had 3 more catches but 34 less yards; his catch percentage was virtually identical (62.0% vs. 62.1%). It was Funchess and Philly who fell off a cliff. That's probably why we let Philly walk and it's why I think Funchess should be in "prove it" mode.

That's all I'm saying here. I'm not saying cut the guy right now. I'm simply saying that his free ride should be over. If other guys out-perform him, don't hang onto him simply because he's young and we spent a 2nd round pick on him. That 2nd round pick is a sunk cost. We're not getting that back. It's time for Funchess to be judged based on his performance and not on his potential.

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1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

I just said ..

1. Usely take 2 to 3 years for WR to get the game.. not to mention we're talking about a player making a position change not just a level up in competition..

2. The whole offense suckef last year so expecting him developed in that situation is a little harsh..

3. I  think the whole offense will imporve based on a healthy oline with more depth alone..

4. Already hearing reports on how he is killing it and putting in more work this offseason..

1. I agree that most players improve after their rookie season. Though his yardage was pretty similar, his catch percentage plummeted last year while Benjamin and Ginn saw an improvement in this metric and Olsen's was virtually identical. It wasn't just Cam being inaccurate.

2. See above.

3. Agreed.

4. That sounds just like last year. Everyone was raving about his offseason work last year.

Again, I'm not saying to not give the guy a chance. I really hope he wakes up and delivers on his potential, but we shouldn't be counting on that. Really hoping to see another WR drafted early. 

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All I know is local media raving is the kiss of death and the opposite holds true as well.

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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't blame him for the offense as a whole, but I certainly do put a healthy amount of blame on him for catching less than 40% of the passes thrown his way.

Ginn and Olsen largely did what they do. Hell, Ginn actually had his highest catch percentage, catches, and yardage of all of his three seasons as a Panther. Olsen had 3 more catches but 34 less yards; his catch percentage was virtually identical (62.0% vs. 62.1%). It was Funchess and Philly who fell off a cliff. That's probably why we let Philly walk and it's why I think Funchess should be in "prove it" mode.

That's all I'm saying here. I'm not saying cut the guy right now. I'm simply saying that his free ride should be over. If other guys out-perform him, don't hang onto him simply because he's young and we spent a 2nd round pick on him. That 2nd round pick is a sunk cost. We're not getting that back. It's time for Funchess to be judged based on his performance and not on his potential.

I disagree.. I honestly think everybody gets a pass from Gettelman not doing his job..

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Just now, WOW!! said:

I disagree.. I honestly think everybody gets a pass from Gettelman not doing his job..

It just doesn't work like that.

As far as the receivers go, when you break down the numbers, it's clear that the primary issues were Philly and Funchess.

Yeah, Gettleman shouldn't have let this team go into the season so desperately thin at OT and putting the entire defense on the shoulders of a rookie CB crew was foolhardy at best, but the players still have to do their jobs when given an opportunity. KB, Ginn, and Olsen did what they do. Ginn in particular had his best season as a Panther. Funchess was terrible and Philly wasn't much better. That's on them and them alone.

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15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

1. I agree that most players improve after their rookie season. Though his yardage was pretty similar, his catch percentage plummeted last year while Benjamin and Ginn saw an improvement in this metric and Olsen's was virtually identical. It wasn't just Cam being inaccurate.

2. See above.

3. Agreed.

4. That sounds just like last year. Everyone was raving about his offseason work last year.

Again, I'm not saying to not give the guy a chance. I really hope he wakes up and delivers on his potential, but we shouldn't be counting on that. Really hoping to see another WR drafted early. 

1. Your also talking about players who have had more oppurtunity and way more time with Cam to build chemistry with him..

2. See above..

4. I think everything got off the rails when Cam started to get killed and the Oline fell apart..

Everybody should know by now when Cam gets rattled.. He gets tunnel vision only goes to his favorite WR he has more confidence in. (Olsen, KB, Ginn)  And the accuracy and spreading the ball around stops..

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It just doesn't work like that.

As far as the receivers go, when you break down the numbers, it's clear that the primary issues were Philly and Funchess.

Yeah, Gettleman shouldn't have let this team go into the season so desperately thin at OT and putting the entire defense on the shoulders of a rookie CB crew was foolhardy at best, but the players still have to do their jobs when given an opportunity. KB, Ginn, and Olsen did what they do. Ginn in particular had his best season as a Panther. Funchess was terrible and Philly wasn't much better. That's on them and them alone.

Like I said the players you name have Cam's confidence and have more chemistry with him.. So of course sooner or later they will get on the same track.. Players like Funch has probably  spent more time with DA than with Cam so the chemistry isn't able to overcome a stressed out Cam... 

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Just now, WOW!! said:

1. Your also talking about players who have had more oppurtunity and way more time with Cam to build chemistry with him..

2. See above..

4. I think everything got off the rails when Cam started to get killed and the Oline fell apart..

Everybody should know by now when Cam gets rattled.. He gets tunnel vision only goes to his favorite WR he has more confidence in.  And the accuracy and spreading the ball around stops..

Why should Funchess have gotten more targets when he was the least efficient WR on the roster?

Yes, Cam getting killed out there definitely impacted the offense as a whole, but reference the catch percentage numbers I posted earlier.

Funchess got considerably more targets per snap than Philly who his snap count was most comparable to. KB had the highest percentage and his was still under 15%. Again, Funchess' was 11.7%. Given the poor success when targeting him, I think that's pretty damn generous in terms of opportunities.

 

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