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4 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

And this is why he should be fired

this isn't pop warner, it's the pros

He is dumbing it down for fans who wouldn't have a clue what he was talking about if he talked like he did in meeting rooms. If you find this juvenile this is a commentary on the fan base's knowledge not his.

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2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

He is dumbing it down for fans who wouldn't have a clue what he was talking about if he talked like he did in meeting rooms. If you find this juvenile this is a commentary on the fan base's knowledge not his.

I get that but from what I see on the field his players don't get it either 

I have also read other knowledgeable NFL writers who question what he is doing

Either Newton does not fit it, or the players don't fit it, or the rest of the world knows the calls before they are executed  

I totally agree with Jeremy Igo and some of the writers from the roaring riot and the NFL films on their analysis. The latest being Shula's lack of use of the middle of the field

we can all argue for days on this but to go forward my strong belief is Newton needs coaches who aren't his buddies and schemes that don't put him into miracle mode on 3rd down plus offensive playmakers and no, I don't see Christian as one ..not with this staff

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3 hours ago, panthers55 said:

The problem is most knowledgeable folks praise his schemes and complexity and don't think his playcalling sucks outside of the huddle and casual fans. So the letter is useless if the contentions in the letter are not universally agreed upon. And they clearly aren't.

Yeah, that's why teams are lining up to sign him as their head coach right? If all these "knowledgeable" folks think he's such an offensive genius, then why is it that even after out 2015 season where we had the #1 offense he still didn't get a call for a head coaching position (which is unheard of)? Why is it that football analysts (who study film for a living) and commentators on game day point out our vanilla routes and playcalls? Hmm, me thinks knowledgeable teams know Cam Newton is the only reason this offense works, and not the other way around. You can try and spin it however you want, Shula is and has always been a terrible OC. His history speaks for itself.

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11 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I get that but from what I see on the field his players don't get it either 

I have also read other knowledgeable NFL writers who question what he is doing

Either Newton does not fit it, or the players don't fit it, or the rest of the world knows the calls before they are executed  

I totally agree with Jeremy Igo and some of the writers from the roaring riot and the NFL films on their analysis. The latest being Shula's lack of use of the middle of the field

we can all argue for days on this but to go forward my strong belief is Newton needs coaches who aren't his buddies and schemes that don't put him into miracle mode on 3rd down plus offensive playmakers and no, I don't see Christian as one ..not with this staff

It isn't Shula it is Cam. He often throws late over the middle and has no touch on the ball. He tries to rocket passes which when tipped are easy interceptions. Since there are more defenders in the middle of the field the chance of an errant throw turning into an interception increases. An OC doesn't ignore the middle of the field for no reason, that is stupid to think. Look at defenders next time on Cam's passes over the middle. They undercut routes knowing Cam can't loft the ball over them with touch and the safeties hang back waiting for the frequent tipped balls. He throws every pass the same and most times wait too long which gives defenders time to catch up and recover on routes. We use the sidelines because the players usually have one defender there and errant throws sail harmlessly out of bounds. This offense is built around Cam strengths and they aren't passing over the middle.

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11 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Yeah, that's why teams are lining up to sign him as their head coach right? If all these "knowledgeable" folks think he's such an offensive genius, then why is it that even after out 2015 season where we had the #1 offense he still didn't get a call for a head coaching position? Why is it that football analysts (who study film for a living) and commentators on game day point out our vanilla routes and playcalls? Hmm, me thinks knowledgeable teams know Cam Newton is the only reason this offense works, and not the other way around.

Bringing him in as head coach has no bearing on his value as OC. Totally different jobs and skill sets. You clearly have no idea what these jobs entail or you wouldn't keep bringing up this stupid logic.

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23 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

It isn't Shula it is Cam. He often throws late over the middle and has no touch on the ball. He tries to rocket passes which when tipped are easy interceptions. Since there are more defenders in the middle of the field the chance of an errant throw turning into an interception increases. An OC doesn't ignore the middle of the field for no reason, that is stupid to think. Look at defenders next time on Cam's passes over the middle. They undercut routes knowing Cam can't loft the ball over them with touch and the safeties hang back waiting for the frequent tipped balls. He throws every pass the same and most times wait too long which gives defenders time to catch up and recover on routes. We use the sidelines because the players usually have one defender there and errant throws sail harmlessly out of bounds. This offense is built around Cam strengths and they aren't passing over the middle.

Its called "touch ".

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13 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Bringing him in as head coach has no bearing on his value as OC. Totally different jobs and skill sets. You clearly have no idea what these jobs entail or you wouldn't keep bringing up this stupid logic.

Again, stop the BS. Great OCs and DCs get a chance at head coach regardless of whether they are qualified for it or not. It says a lot about Shula that he doesn't even get a call for an interview. Again, it's UNHEARD of for a OC of a 15-1 team coming off a superbowl with the #1 scoring offense to not even get considered as a head coach. Teams know Shula sucks (just ask Broncos players). He wouldn't even get another OC job if he were to get canned. You are going way out of your way to validate such a terrible OC. I can't believe there would STILL be people defending Shula after yet another pathetic offensive season, but here you are. Unbelievable.

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8 minutes ago, ras977 said:

Its called "touch ".

Exactly, like I said in line 3 of my post he doesn't have any.

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1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Exactly, like I said in line 3 of my post he doesn't have any.

Missed it--absolutely right on,

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42 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

It isn't Shula it is Cam. He often throws late over the middle and has no touch on the ball. He tries to rocket passes which when tipped are easy interceptions. Since there are more defenders in the middle of the field the chance of an errant throw turning into an interception increases. An OC doesn't ignore the middle of the field for no reason, that is stupid to think. Look at defenders next time on Cam's passes over the middle. They undercut routes knowing Cam can't loft the ball over them with touch and the safeties hang back waiting for the frequent tipped balls. He throws every pass the same and most times wait too long which gives defenders time to catch up and recover on routes. We use the sidelines because the players usually have one defender there and errant throws sail harmlessly out of bounds. This offense is built around Cam strengths and they aren't passing over the middle.

Ever wonder why we don't run screens ?

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5 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Again, stop the BS. Great OCs and DCs get a chance at head coach regardless of whether they are qualified for it or not. It says a lot about Shula that he doesn't even get a call for an interview. Again, it's UNHEARD of for a OC of a 15-1 team coming off a superbowl with the #1 scoring offense to not even get considered as a head coach. Teams know Shula sucks (just ask Broncos players). He wouldn't even get another OC job if he were to get canned. You are going way out of your way to validate such a terrible OC. I can't believe there would STILL be people defending Shula after yet another pathetic offensive season, but here you are. Unbelievable.

It says people didn't want him as a head coach. It says nothing about what he is doing now. Honestly I don't think I would want him as head coach. Not fiery enough and not a people person which is a critical skill for a head coach as far as I can see. Temperament wise OCs are usually less emotional and tactical and let's face it we want our head coaches to get fired up and inspire players. And that is just one of a cornucopia of differences in duties and temperament among other things that could make Shula a decent OC and not a good head coach. Can we stick to the discussion and avoid these "throw  everything in but the kitchen sink" arguments. 

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11 minutes ago, ras977 said:

Ever wonder why we don't run screens ?

True, his behind the line passing completion was one of the lowest of anyone. CMC has helped that. Plus our tackles and guards struggle to get in space and handle a quicker more athletic linebacker or DE so the play goes nowhere. 

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