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2 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

In truth, we will only know how good the draft class is two or three years after the draft has been completed.  As of now, its only a guess.

You're referring to the Ealy principle?

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8 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

In truth, we will only know how good the draft class is two or three years after the draft has been completed.  As of now, its only a guess.

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40 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

In truth, we will only know how good the draft class is two or three years after the draft has been completed.  As of now, its only a guess.

Maybe for picks in round 4 - 7 but Rounds 1 and 2 should be contributing right away and Round 3 should be rotational players.

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From what I can tell, RB, TE, G, LB, and S are all very stout. You could argue that none of those positions are as good as last years, but last yeat will probably end up being one of the top drafts of all time.

For the most part though, it is a very weak looking draft. They've got a few very good prospects at the top, but not anywhere near as deep as usual. The position that jumps out as a weakness, to me, is edge rushers. When you don't have a can't miss, elite edge rusher in the class, that's tough. Chubb is a good prospect, but where would be ranked amongst the group last year? Somewhere between Barnett and Taco?

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1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Maybe for picks in round 4 - 7 but Rounds 1 and 2 should be contributing right away and Round 3 should be rotational players.

Whether its a good draft or not, and how much round 1-2 players should contribute are two somewhat different subjects.  

 

Since you brought it up though, I know that is what people think, but I am not sure that is the reality.  I read somewhere that less than half of 2nd round picks last a full four years in the NFL.  For third round picks, its less than 20%.  Just a guess on my part, but I would imagine that most of those that don't last four years probably aren't contributing very much early in their career.  They are probably in a situation where they are injured a lot or the team is trying to be patient, waiting on them to develop.  I would also hazard a guess that at least some of them that do last only last because the team feels it spent a first or second round pick on them, and they are willing to wait longer than they might on a later round pick, whether the player is deserving of that patience or not.  

 

Btw, I know that some of our fan base believes that either Gettleman or Hurney, or both are poor drafters, but I bet if you compare them to the rest of the league, that is not true.  I did see an article a few weeks ago that had our draft results for the last five years (four years of DG, one year of Hurney) as second overall in the NFL.  

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I’m hoping we can sign a veteran WR that can help day one. With Samuel and Byrd returning that is a position group that will be just fine if we can sign a starter.

Would love to get Stewart’s replacement, long term safety or even a #2 TE that help on the line and give Cam another weapon.

We also need a pass rusher. Either way I don’t think it’s too many holes to fill if we take the BPA according to our needs. 

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4 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

From what I can tell, RB, TE, G, LB, and S are all very stout. You could argue that none of those positions are as good as last years, but last yeat will probably end up being one of the top drafts of all time.

For the most part though, it is a very weak looking draft. They've got a few very good prospects at the top, but not anywhere near as deep as usual. The position that jumps out as a weakness, to me, is edge rushers. When you don't have a can't miss, elite edge rusher in the class, that's tough. Chubb is a good prospect, but where would be ranked amongst the group last year? Somewhere between Barnett and Taco?

For me Chubb would only be behind Garrett and that's strictly from a ceiling prospective alone.  Only first round rusher from last year that has the consistent motor that Chubb plays with is Barnett but Chubb pass rush moves are a good deal ahead of Barnetts and really anyone in last year's draft. 

But after Chubb it gets iffy: Landry has a high ceiling but right now he wins off his speed and will probably fall in the Vic Beasley category of not being an every down player. Arden Key has a Garrett type of ceiling but NEVER plays up to it and he has that off the field Randy Gregory type of feel. And Davenport plays against suspect comp and who knows how he will translate to NFL competition 

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3 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

I’m hoping we can sign a veteran WR that can help day one. With Samuel and Byrd returning that is a position group that will be just fine if we can sign a starter.

Would love to get Stewart’s replacement, long term safety or even a #2 TE that help on the line and give Cam another weapon.

We also need a pass rusher. Either way I don’t think it’s too many holes to fill if we take the BPA according to our needs. 

I feel like first round will be a toss up, 2nd is where we hopefully get a Deshon Elliott or Armani Watts, and probably a TE with one of the 3rd round picks( probably Mike Gesicki range) 

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29 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

For me Chubb would only be behind Garrett and that's strictly from a ceiling prospective alone.  Only first round rusher from last year that has the consistent motor that Chubb plays with is Barnett but Chubb pass rush moves are a good deal ahead of Barnetts and really anyone in last year's draft. 

But after Chubb it gets iffy: Landry has a high ceiling but right now he wins off his speed and will probably fall in the Vic Beasley category of not being an every down player. Arden Key has a Garrett type of ceiling but NEVER plays up to it and he has that off the field Randy Gregory type of feel. And Davenport plays against suspect comp and who knows how he will translate to NFL competition 

Yeah, I'd probably have him after Garrett as well, but there would be a gap. I would imagine some people would have him behind Barnett. Most, IMO, would have him behind Soloman Thomas. 

Key would worry me much more if he didn't take that leave and was actually getting in trouble. His ceiling is through the rough. Garrett like, like you said. The injuries are a bit of a concern, but I don't worry about his personal life. He took the time to get it together, something Gregory never has done.

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15 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Yeah, I'd probably have him after Garrett as well, but there would be a gap. I would imagine some people would have him behind Barnett. Most, IMO, would have him behind Soloman Thomas. 

Key would worry me much more if he didn't take that leave and was actually getting in trouble. His ceiling is through the rough. Garrett like, like you said. The injuries are a bit of a concern, but I don't worry about his personal life. He took the time to get it together, something Gregory never has done.

Lol, I kinda forgot all about Solomon Thomas... 

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