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Blame the gun not the crazy kid. Im sure that rifle just floated around shooting indiscriminately... 

Liberals are not taking our guns no matter how badly they want to. They cover themselves in the blood of dead children to strip our rights 20 minutes after a school shooting not giving a damn about the grieving parents.  They don't give a flying rats ass about the family's, only that that they finally get to fufill one of their agendas.

People like Nicholas Cruz need to be institutionalized (like they used to be), the warning signs were there and have been talked about all day. When the kid was still allowed to attend the school he wasn't allowed to have a backpack for christs sake. He was kicked out due to threatening other students, people like that need to be in psychiatric hospitals and not left roaming around the public to harm others.

But this is a more gentle and caring America where we let the psychos loose to kill.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Yellow Mustard said:

Blame the gun not the crazy kid. Im sure that rifle just floated around shooting indiscriminately... 

Liberals are not taking our guns no matter how badly they want to. They cover themselves in the blood of dead children to strip our rights 20 minutes after a school shooting not giving a damn about the grieving parents.  They don't give a flying rats ass about the family's, only that that they finally get to fufill one of their agendas.

People like Nicholas Cruz need to be institutionalized (like they used to be), the warning signs were there and have been talked about all day. When the kid was still allowed to attend the school he wasn't allowed to have a backpack for christs sake. He was kicked out due to threatening other students, people like that need to be in psychiatric hospitals and not left roaming around the public to harm others.

But this is a more gentle and caring America where we let the psychos loose to kill.

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1981 President Reagan repeals Carter’s legislation with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. This pushes the responsibility of mentally ill patients back to the states. The legislation creates block grants for the states, but federal spending on mental illness declines.

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/12/08/did-the-emptying-of-mental-hospitals-contribute-to-homelessness-here/ 

States Rights!!!!

Tax Cuts for the Rich!!!!

Less Regulation!!!!

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The mentally ill are amongst the most vulnerable populations in society because most are unable to make sound decisions regarding their own care due to their mental state. The consequences of Reagan’s social policy can be measured by the fact that today one-third of the homeless population are suffering from severe mental illness which puts a burden on police departments, hospitals and the penal system which lack the training and resources to deal with psychiatric emergencies (Honberg, 2015). Reagan’s unethical choice to end federal funding for mental health programs was driven by the desire to cut the budget. As a result, he did much more harm than good (PSY533, 2017).

http://sites.psu.edu/psy533wheeler/2017/02/08/u01-ronald-reagan-and-the-federal-deinstitutionalization-of-mentally-ill-patients/comment-page-1/

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1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

The mentally ill are amongst the most vulnerable populations in society because most are unable to make sound decisions regarding their own care due to their mental state. The consequences of Reagan’s social policy can be measured by the fact that today one-third of the homeless population are suffering from severe mental illness which puts a burden on police departments, hospitals and the penal system which lack the training and resources to deal with psychiatric emergencies (Honberg, 2015). Reagan’s unethical choice to end federal funding for mental health programs was driven by the desire to cut the budget. As a result, he did much more harm than good (PSY533, 2017).

http://sites.psu.edu/psy533wheeler/2017/02/08/u01-ronald-reagan-and-the-federal-deinstitutionalization-of-mentally-ill-patients/comment-page-1/

I will agree with you here, I'm all for states rights but they obviously don't give a poo about the crazies running free. Cut the war on drugs and keep the mentally insane locked up.

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1 hour ago, Trumpcard1618NC said:

http://www.oiiq.net/index.php/entertainment/166-judge-jeanine/111056-facebook-id-109955466016649-690026568009533

 

BREAKING NEWS: Florida High School gunman Nicholas de Jesus Cruz is an ANTIFA Supporter and member of many “Resistance” Groups on Facebook. Why has Antifa not been labeled a terrorist organization yet?? The mainstream liberal media will surely try to hide this fact and not honestly report on it, 

If I post an archive of the gunman's actual instagram account, as in no photoshop, wearing MAGA gear will you admit that you fell for fake news?

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2 minutes ago, Yellow Mustard said:

I will agree with you here, I'm all for states rights but they obviously don't give a poo about the crazies running free. Cut the war on drugs and keep the mentally insane locked up.

If early reports are to be believed the gunman was expelled last year and had made threats directed at students and faculty.  Such behavior cannot be ignored or end with a student's expulsion.  These sorts of cases should be handed over to law enforcement for investigation and if found credible these individuals should be no longer be eligible to possess firearms and be enrolled into a court supervised mental treatment program.

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President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.  

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

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Guns will not be outlawed.  Next solution?

If bump stock still legal after Vegas, you can bet your ass guns will continue to be legal.

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1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

If early reports are to be believed the gunman was expelled last year and had made threats directed at students and faculty.  Such behavior cannot be ignored or end with a student's expulsion.  These sorts of cases should be handed over to law enforcement for investigation and if found credible these individuals should be no longer be eligible to possess firearms and be enrolled into a court supervised mental treatment program.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

If you have a student that's not allowed a book bag at school they need to be institutionalized.  No one ever said freedom was guaranteeing personal safety. 

Do you not think our forefathers knew some would use the 2nd to cause harm? Of course they did but there needed to be the ability of the common man to have some chance to stop tyranny. I'm sure you will dismiss this comment and that is your right but a crazy person doing wrong does not give the gov the power to take my freedoms.

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2 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

Guns will not be outlawed.  Next solution?

If bump stock still legal after Vegas, you can bet your ass guns will continue to be legal.

Agreed, guns will not be outlawed.  But there is a lot of space between where our country is now and where the rest of the civilized world is when it comes to gun regulation.  We don't have to be as strict as some of those nations, but there is plenty of room for improvement.

How are these teens, whose minds and emotions are not fully matured yet, getting ahold of these weapons and ammunition?

It seems pretty clear he had already been identified as having emotional/anger issues.  Where are the parents in his life?  What level of responsibility are they accountable for? If we don't want a "Nanny State"  parents need to be held accountable.

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4 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Agreed, guns will not be outlawed.  But there is a lot of space between where our country is now and where the rest of the civilized world is when it comes to gun regulation.  We don't have to be as strict as some of those nations, but there is plenty of room for improvement.

How are these teens, whose minds and emotions are not fully matured yet, getting ahold of these weapons and ammunition?

It seems pretty clear he had already been identified as having emotional/anger issues.  Where are the parents in his life?  What level of responsibility are they accountable for? If we don't want a "Nanny State"  parents need to be held accountable.

Not sure if true but I read that he was adopted and that both of his adopted parents had recently passed.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Yellow Mustard said:

If you have a student that's not allowed a book bag at school they need to be institutionalized.  No one ever said freedom was guaranteeing personal safety. 

Do you not think our forefathers knew some would use the 2nd to cause harm? Of course they did but there needed to be the ability of the common man to have some chance to stop tyranny. I'm sure you will dismiss this comment and that is your right but a crazy person doing wrong does not give the gov the power to take my freedoms.

The vast majority of gun owners are responsible AFAIK.  Cruz's threatening behavior should have made him ineligible to legally own or have access to a firearm IMHO.  Obviously, expelling someone like Cruz from high school doesn't address the potential threat he poses to the rest of society.

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9 minutes ago, Yellow Mustard said:

Not sure if true but I read that he was adopted and that both of his adopted parents had recently passed.

Ok, if it turns out the weapon used to kill 17 people today belonged to his adopted parents, that presents another issue. 

What would your solution be to ensure someone emotionally/mentally unstable like Cruz doesn't get ahold of a parent's firearm after their death?

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24 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Agreed, guns will not be outlawed.  But there is a lot of space between where our country is now and where the rest of the civilized world is when it comes to gun regulation.  We don't have to be as strict as some of those nations, but there is plenty of room for improvement.

How are these teens, whose minds and emotions are not fully matured yet, getting ahold of these weapons and ammunition?

It seems pretty clear he had already been identified as having emotional/anger issues.  Where are the parents in his life?  What level of responsibility are they accountable for? If we don't want a "Nanny State"  parents need to be held accountable.

HIPAA law protects them.  Change HIPAA law for mentally ill, problem solved.  I just bought a Glock yesterday.  My application asked me if I was mentally ill... like if I was mentally ill I would answer yes?  This is dumb.

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7 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

HIPAA law protects them.  Change HIPAA law for mentally ill, problem solved.  I just bought a Glock yesterday.  My application asked me if I was mentally ill... like if I was mentally ill I would answer yes?  This is dumb.

Sure is.

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President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

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Idk the law in Florida(probably shitty) but in Maryland you have to be 21 or over to buy AR’s/hand guns.

 

18 you can buy normal hunting rifles/shotguns. 

 

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