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#25 panthers55

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 11:31 AM

Hurney is unpredictable if nothing else. So it is hard to say with any certainty what we will do or not do. We can discuss what we would do and little lese.

I don't know why we would have to trade up to pick up a receiver. There should be plenty of guys who will be available in the middle rounds. I can't say with any certainty that he won't trade up if he thinks the right guy is there and we want him at all costs like we did with Otah and Brown. I also have no idea how important they are believing the 2011 picks are at this point in order to give up next year's 1st or 2nd rounder. If Hurney hasn't signed his extension waiting for Fox's fate he might be willing to increase the likelihood that Fox does well by giving away next year's draft and stocking up as many players as possible.

Personally I hope they stop trading future draft picks given we are getting the short end of the stick every time we do it. I would like us to stay where we are or actually trade down for more picks. I see lots of depth and few players that are so great that they demand a trade up particularly where we can afford to reach at this point. If we only needed one or two players I could see us moving up for them. But with as many holes as we have particularly beyond the starters, we need quantity more so than quality.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 02:10 PM

I remember having the same sort of conversation the year we picked Jarrett. Lets think about the receivers that this regime has taken after the first round. Other than Smitty we have Jarrett, Colbert and Carter. I mean...not exactly a lot of hits there. There is a reason that some of these guys are projected 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. Its because THEY AREN'T AS GOOD. I'm sick of picking guys and them having 20 catches for 150 yards on the season. Its just as joke...get someone that is legit or make a trade. They need to stop thinking they can just get value picks like we did with Steve Smith. It doesn't work that way...he is the exception, not the rule.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 02:30 PM

I remember having the same sort of conversation the year we picked Jarrett. Lets think about the receivers that this regime has taken after the first round. Other than Smitty we have Jarrett, Colbert and Carter. I mean...not exactly a lot of hits there. There is a reason that some of these guys are projected 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. Its because THEY AREN'T AS GOOD. I'm sick of picking guys and them having 20 catches for 150 yards on the season. Its just as joke...get someone that is legit or make a trade. They need to stop thinking they can just get value picks like we did with Steve Smith. It doesn't work that way...he is the exception, not the rule.

While our track record is pretty poor picking receivers, there are many teams that have found gems in the middle and lower rounds. I don't know that the problem is that we have to trade up to pick a first rounder so much as we need to do a much better job of finding guys who can play who are there in the second and third round. After all if I have a choice to pick up a quarterback who has dropped into the second, I would probably go there depending on who it was and still look for receiver help in the 3rd.

But it depends on who will be there when it gets to us or what we will give up or receive to move up or move down. I doubt we try and trade up into the first, more likey move up to the top of the second.

Edited by panthers55, 04 April 2010 - 02:33 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2010 - 02:51 PM

There is no way in hell we'll trade up for a wide receiver, unless it's a few spots to take someone who unexpectedly fell into the top of the second.

There is no way in hell we'll make a trade to get into the top ten, under any circumstances. That would cost far too much in terms of future picks, and could potentially do the sort of damage the Sean Gilbert trade did.

There is no way in hell the Broncos drop Marshall for this year's second round pick. They would require a player as well, and we don't have one worth giving up for what they need. The Panthers don't make trades for high profile players. They haven't since the Gilbert trade.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 08:47 PM

I remember having the same sort of conversation the year we picked Jarrett. Lets think about the receivers that this regime has taken after the first round. Other than Smitty we have Jarrett, Colbert and Carter. I mean...not exactly a lot of hits there. There is a reason that some of these guys are projected 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. Its because THEY AREN'T AS GOOD. I'm sick of picking guys and them having 20 catches for 150 yards on the season. Its just as joke...get someone that is legit or make a trade. They need to stop thinking they can just get value picks like we did with Steve Smith. It doesn't work that way...he is the exception, not the rule.


you ever consider that maybe jake was the problem and not the wrs?

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 09:01 PM

Jeremy Williams...period. Sleeper, could be available in the 5th if we trade up for a 5th.


Some of those highlights made him look bad..lol but from what I understand thats apart of the design to throw a lot of short passes in there offense..but he went down on first contact with a lot those passes I saw

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 10:25 PM

you ever consider that maybe jake was the problem and not the wrs?


I actually did consider it...I'm not a Jake fan by any means. BUT, Colbert has flopped with other teams as has Drew Carter. If either of them were any good they could have made a name for themselves with other teams. Neither one did so I have to conclude that its more them than it was Jake.

I just think there are certain positions you don't draft in the first round (OG, C, TE, 3-4 OLB, 3-4 DE) and there are certain positions you tend to have a lot of success with in the first round (DE, CB, S, WR). Obviously, if you know what you are doing with certain positions you can find good ones and develop them. The Fox regime's forte has always been with DBs, DL, and OL (more recently). They haven't exactly had a lot of success with WR and QB. Therefore, they need to look for guys with more talent to work with.

I also think that there are two can't miss prospects in this year's WR crop (Tate and Bryant). We probably won't get either because they are both going in the first round but my other hope is that we at least have talks with the Broncos about Brandon Marshall. We have a new, young QB that needs a lot of targets. He can't look at Steve Smith every time and right now Steve is the only legit option we have at WR. IMO it is by far the most glaring need for our team.

However, I will say that the 2011 class has ridiculous talent at a few positions. Green, Jones, and Floyd are all coming out at the WR position. Locker and Luck will both be in the QB class. Not planning ahead already for 2011 but that is one reason I wouldn't trade to get into 2010 first round...a lot more talent in 2011 IMO.

Edited by unicar15, 04 April 2010 - 10:34 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2010 - 12:28 PM

Lol @ this thread.

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 01:01 PM

Clausen is a stud...I was dead wrong...thats how it goes.

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 02:52 PM

Clausen is a stud...I was dead wrong...thats how it goes.


Yea, I had to jab ya for this 95% talk. ;)