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Posted 04 April 2010 - 11:49 AM

London, so you're saying that we have three positions on the team that are great. Well that's fantastic, but all but maybe five teams in the league can say the same thing. The key to having a playoff team is having more than just three positions being "f**king stacked". Hence why we had to overachieve late in the season last year just to finish at .500.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 12:12 PM

All this means is that we're very likely to promote the HC from within once Fox is gone. No need to flip GMs.

fuging hilarious that we might end up with Davidson, Meeks or Skipper as a HC, but there it is.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 01:51 PM

I would love to see the day when fans come to realize that the Jake extension was more about being able to actually sign some free agents and not about the loyalty to Jake.

With the franchising of Peppers, the Panthers had NO money to sign any free agents. Extending Jake's contract freed up some funds for the Panthers to sign free agents last year. Had there been a salary cap this year, Jake would still be a Panther and more than likely, the starter.

Considering most everyone believed 2010 would be an uncapped year, doing Jake's extension, in which he could be cut this year with little consequences, and allowed us to sign free agents last year, was a smart move to make last year.

Those of you who continue to bash Hurney for signing Jake to an extension are showing how little you know about the salary cap situation the Panthers were in last year.

Again, the extension was more about being able to sign free agents and draft picks last year than it was about Jake.


Don't care what the reason, the Jake extension was a dumb f***ing idea. Hurney shouldn't have been in that predicament in the first place. Hurney was trying to be too agressive and messed up. Luckily, this uncapped year stopped it from being the BONAFIDE worse move in our franchise's history. Still...we lost Peppers without any compensation when our goal was to re-sign him and we made Jake the highest paid NFL player this upcoming year. Brilliant thinking from our FO.

Like I said before, Hurney is an okay GM...he ain't "one of the best" in the NFL. He has strengths and he has weaknesses.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 02:18 PM

All this means is that we're very likely to promote the HC from within once Fox is gone. No need to flip GMs.

f**king hilarious that we might end up with Davidson, Meeks or Skipper as a HC, but there it is.


How do you derive this? Not saying your wrong...just trying to follow what you are thinking.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 02:41 PM

Don't care what the reason, the Jake extension was a dumb f***ing idea. Hurney shouldn't have been in that predicament in the first place. Hurney was trying to be too agressive and messed up. Luckily, this uncapped year stopped it from being the BONAFIDE worse move in our franchise's history. Still...we lost Peppers without any compensation when our goal was to re-sign him and we made Jake the highest paid NFL player this upcoming year. Brilliant thinking from our FO.

Like I said before, Hurney is an okay GM...he ain't "one of the best" in the NFL. He has strengths and he has weaknesses.



Still wouldn't have been the worse move in franchise history...There's another one that's worse by far imo.

Yay, we lost Peppers..... A player who didn't want to be a leader on this team, who didn't always go full steam and was so-so against the run. He was definitely worth the 90 million dollar contract he got. :rolleye:

Seriously big deal..

Like someone posted above, the jake contract was because of Pepper's tag and to make up for him making so damn little when he was playing good a few years back. It was two fold, either they give Jake the contract or the team wouldn't have had money to try and improve the team.. Saying the deal was a dumb Idea is also Hindsight, no one would be saying anything about it if Jake had a good season last year. The dumb move was giving peppers the Tag, should have let him walk last season, and used that 20 million in other places..

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 02:50 PM

I would love to see the day when fans come to realize that the Jake extension was more about being able to actually sign some free agents and not about the loyalty to Jake.

With the franchising of Peppers, the Panthers had NO money to sign any free agents. Extending Jake's contract freed up some funds for the Panthers to sign free agents last year. Had there been a salary cap this year, Jake would still be a Panther and more than likely, the starter.

Considering most everyone believed 2010 would be an uncapped year, doing Jake's extension, in which he could be cut this year with little consequences, and allowed us to sign free agents last year, was a smart move to make last year.

Those of you who continue to bash Hurney for signing Jake to an extension are showing how little you know about the salary cap situation the Panthers were in last year.

Again, the extension was more about being able to sign free agents and draft picks last year than it was about Jake.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 03:29 PM

good, i hope he signs it. he has done a good job, especially with the draft the past few seasons.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 04:10 PM

I would love to see the day when fans come to realize that the Jake extension was more about being able to actually sign some free agents and not about the loyalty to Jake.


This.. I don't know why people feel the need to ignore certain aspects that are huge factors in decision making. Catch up people, you're holding our fan base back on a grand scale.

Defensive line: Kind of a question mark, particularly at the end spot, but it's nowhere near as awful or hopeless as some people here would have you believe. Louis Leonard played well before he went down and Tank Tyler has promise. Oh no so people might be able to run on us next season. What the f**k else is new.

Also you people need to stop assuming that Marty Hurney singlehandedly runs the scouting department for the Panthers. Don Gregory probably deserves a ton of credit for masterminding these recent drafts. oH BUTT JOKE DELHOMME AND JULUS PEPPEARS GAWD DAMMIT MARTY


one thing to add, one to comment on.. I think our DT situation is more important than our DE's.. If we can grab a pro-bowl DT, that is going to propel us much further than a DE.. IMO.

and yeah, our draft has stepped up significantly since Don Gregory stepped in.. Before that, we were left with a lot to desire after draft day..

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 07:21 PM

If it were my money, then Hurney would have been fired for the Jake extention. As it is, I'm fine with a fans explanation of Hurney's decision. My money, we play a different game, it's called you focked up and you're fired.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 06:39 AM

London, so you're saying that we have three positions on the team that are great. Well that's fantastic, but all but maybe five teams in the league can say the same thing. The key to having a playoff team is having more than just three positions being "f**king stacked". Hence why we had to overachieve late in the season last year just to finish at .500.


The guy I was responding to was shitting a brick because we don't have a roster ready to go for opening day in freaking April. I don't think we're going to win the Super Bowl and I'm not even sold on the idea of a winning season or playoff run because, as you alluded, I don't know if we have a complete enough team yet.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 04:10 PM

At first I was ticked about giving Jake and Peppers the big contract but hindsight is always 20-20. Marty Hurney and the Panthers undoubtly did what they thought was right at the time.


Yep. Some need to know Hurney isn't perfect, so you can't expect a GM to please everyone whenever football start. Hurney isn't the only the GM to make some move fans won't like & he won't be the last to do so. Some just love to complain about one move & want the guy cut already. Make me glad fans don't run the organzation.

ahahaha our fans are such spoiled babies. Watching our fanbase deal with moderate disappointment is like watching a 16 year old lose his first girlfriend.


Yep. They're almost bad as Raiders, Steelers, Cowboys, & Eagles fans. And Patriots fans as well. :D

I would love to see the day when fans come to realize that the Jake extension was more about being able to actually sign some free agents and not about the loyalty to Jake.

With the franchising of Peppers, the Panthers had NO money to sign any free agents. Extending Jake's contract freed up some funds for the Panthers to sign free agents last year. Had there been a salary cap this year, Jake would still be a Panther and more than likely, the starter.

Considering most everyone believed 2010 would be an uncapped year, doing Jake's extension, in which he could be cut this year with little consequences, and allowed us to sign free agents last year, was a smart move to make last year.

Those of you who continue to bash Hurney for signing Jake to an extension are showing how little you know about the salary cap situation the Panthers were in last year.

Again, the extension was more about being able to sign free agents and draft picks last year than it was about Jake.


Well said, sir. Don't blame Hurney for the extension. Pep deserve that blame, 'cause he wouldn't made up his mind to sign the tender & he handcuffed Hurney there. That is probably why they trade their 2010 Draft 1st round pick to get Brown last year. If Pep wasn't stubborn with making us wait, then the extension Jake got might never happend.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:26 AM

I would love to see the day when fans come to realize that the Jake extension was more about being able to actually sign some free agents and not about the loyalty to Jake.

With the franchising of Peppers, the Panthers had NO money to sign any free agents. Extending Jake's contract freed up some funds for the Panthers to sign free agents last year. Had there been a salary cap this year, Jake would still be a Panther and more than likely, the starter.

Considering most everyone believed 2010 would be an uncapped year, doing Jake's extension, in which he could be cut this year with little consequences, and allowed us to sign free agents last year, was a smart move to make last year.

Those of you who continue to bash Hurney for signing Jake to an extension are showing how little you know about the salary cap situation the Panthers were in last year.

Again, the extension was more about being able to sign free agents and draft picks last year than it was about Jake.


I disagree with this 100%.

The Jake deal was all about Fox and Hurney not trusting Moore, and trying to build Jakes ego back to where it was before the AZ game. And to make matters worse, much of the reason for us being in the situation in the first place was not attempting to ever address the QB position, nor the Gross/Pep contract year situation.

Please look at how much cap room that move freed up, and who we signed with said free room.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:52 AM

If it were my money, then Hurney would have been fired for the Jake extention. As it is, I'm fine with a fans explanation of Hurney's decision. My money, we play a different game, it's called you focked up and you're fired.


But the thing is this.

Had Jake played lights out all season and taken us deep in the playoffs or even to the promised land then Hurney's decision looks brilliant. As it turned up Jake played like crap and we got to cut him at a time that his salary presented no burden on our ability to sign other players. So now Hurney's decision looks pretty damned smart to me.

You should be mad at Fox for not benching Jake, not Hurney for signing him. The signing didn't hurt anywhere near as much as the INTs did.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 10:25 AM

But the thing is this.

Had Jake played lights out all season and taken us deep in the playoffs or even to the promised land then Hurney's decision looks brilliant. As it turned up Jake played like crap and we got to cut him at a time that his salary presented no burden on our ability to sign other players. So now Hurney's decision looks pretty damned smart to me.

You should be mad at Fox for not benching Jake, not Hurney for signing him. The signing didn't hurt anywhere near as much as the INTs did.


Unless you're JR of course. And it's both Hurney and Fox's fault. Hurney let a player, Peppers, dictate the franchise. That's on Hurney. Hurney already admitted he messed up numerous times. You can't blame Peppers because Hurney has already stated he used the tag on Peppers to attempt to re-sign him even though he knew Peppers didn't want to be here. And I don't care WHAT the reason, Jake just finished playing his worse game ever and looked like crap half the season. You don't extend a guy like that to save money. There was no way in hell Jake was going to play "lights out". That extension had "loyalty" written all over it.

If you look at it from a different angle, Fox's hands were tied because with that extension...Jake is FORCED to be a starter. But we all know loyalty played a big part in that decision.

This is sorta why I'm glad JR has finally took control out of Hurney and Fox's hands during the offseason for the most part.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:27 PM

But the thing is this.

Had Jake played lights out all season and taken us deep in the playoffs or even to the promised land then Hurney's decision looks brilliant. As it turned up Jake played like crap and we got to cut him at a time that his salary presented no burden on our ability to sign other players. So now Hurney's decision looks pretty damned smart to me.

You should be mad at Fox for not benching Jake, not Hurney for signing him. The signing didn't hurt anywhere near as much as the INTs did.


I had no confidence in Jake after the Arizona game. His skills were clearly on the decline, and if not for Smith bailing him out, he would have been even worse. As for Hurney, he wildly overrated Jake's ability as a QB, and gave him a sweet deal. Fox is to blame as well, and also the Panther staff members who thought Jake was a good QB. He wasn't at that point, and he recieved a contract as though he was. Big mistake. You need to free up money for other players? Don't sign Peppers. Pick a different option. But again, it's not my money going to Jake, so no big deal.