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Denny Crum and former UK coach Joe B. Hall have a radio show in Louisville. They mostly talk about fishing, hunting and sometimes basketball. Anyway, Crum said this morning that Coach K is a whiner and the reason Butler lost was because of the referees.

Thought that was pretty wild to hear it from a Hall of Fame coach. And before you rip the messenger, I hated Crum when he was at U of L.

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Is kentucky known for it's red whine or white wine? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
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I thought the refs sucked too, but in a general sort of way. Overall for the whole tourney, I thought the refs were WAY inconsistent, much more so than I've see before in NCAA ball.

Last night I saw bad calls (and "no calls") against both teams. I wanted Butler to win, but I don't think the refs had too much effect on the outcome.

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[quote name='Jase']Is kentucky known for it's red whine or white wine? Sounds like sour grapes to me.[/QUOTE]

90 percent of Kentucky hates the University of Louisville

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So the answer is red whine.

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The refs were pretty bad, but we lost that game because we couldn't make the shots when they mattered the most.

The pull up three by Mack, the fade-away by Hayward and of course the half court prayer by Hayward.

The refs did play a part in it, but when your best player (Hayward) shoots 2-11, you aren't going to win, and the fact that we should have won, proves that this is one of the best teams to not win the title.

We will be back next year, better believe that.

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The refs were great in the first half and really inconsistent in the second half. They both shot an even amount of free throws for the game though so IDK if you can say the refs gave it to Duke. I think it was more a result of Singler, Scheyer, and Smith hitting shots when they counted and Zoubek taking care of business on defense.

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If Howard could have sunk a bucket rather than foul for the first 30 minutes, it wouldn't have been close.
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What is it about Duke and refs? Why does everyone always think the refs are in Duke's pocket? Now, I'm not going to be a homer and say that Duke doesn't get calls--especially in Cameron Indoor--but come on. On this stage? At this juncture? No. If anything, you think the calls would've leaned to BUTLER, because everyone wanted them to win.

I think it was fairly officiated--not necessarily WELL officiated, but fair--and that once again people show their jealousy of Duke's success.

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I saw a lot of aggressive plays by Butler that the refs let go. Hell, if they had hit that last shot the guy got open on a blatant moving pick used to take Singler off of Heyward.

My only point in making this thread is that it is very rare to hear a Hall of Famer say something like that about another. I didn't even realize Crum had any problems with Coach K. For the record, I love Coach K.

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There was a bad call on one end where Hayward was called on a charge on what should have been a 3 point play, but the refs turned right back around and gave a make up call which gave Zoubek foul # 4. That just about equals out IMO.

And I saw one or two other blatant Euro picks beside that last shot.

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[quote name='Delhommey']There was a bad call on one end where Hayward was called on a charge on what should have been a 3 point play, but the refs turned right back around and gave a make up call which gave Zoubek foul # 4. That just about equals out IMO.
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Yep... those two stuck out so much so that I wondered if that was, in fact, a make-up call.

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There was a horrible hold on #5 who was holding Zoubek's arm, jersey, leg and no call. Might have been the one where the ball went off his foot.

Crum doesn't like the fact that K is a made bucket away in 3 games from being 7-1 in Nat'l Champ games.
Loses 3 games by a combined 7 pts I believe.

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[quote name='pstall']There was a horrible hold on #5 who was holding Zoubek's arm, jersey, leg and no call. Might have been the one where the ball went off his foot.

Crum doesn't like the fact that K is a made bucket away in 3 games from being 7-1 in Nat'l Champ games.
Loses 3 games by a combined 7 pts I believe.[/QUOTE]

You would think as one of the coaches who beat him he wouldn't have an axe to grind. I mean, I could see if Lute Olsen said that. But Crum?

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That foul on Thomas IMO, should have been a flagrant. To me he clearly hooked Hayward's arm.

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Didn't Crum give K a beatdown in the '86 title game?

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He went for the ball and when Hayward tried to bring the ball up they got tangled. He had a stiff arm. He didn't bend it or anything to hook his arm. It was fast moving so it looked worse than it was. Not a flagrant foul.

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[quote name='I am God']Didn't Crum give K a beatdown in the '86 title game?[/QUOTE]

Louisville 72, Duke 69. Duke led most of the game.

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[quote name='Britneck']He went for the ball and when Hayward tried to bring the ball up they got tangled. He had a stiff arm. He didn't bend it or anything to hook his arm. It was fast moving so it looked worse than it was. Not a flagrant foul.[/QUOTE]

If he was going for the ball, he would have went up into the year with Hayward. Which he clearly wasn't, but they aren't going to call that in the point of the game.

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[quote name='tarheelblue89']If he was going for the ball, he would have went up into the year with Hayward. Which he clearly wasn't, but they aren't going to call that in the point of the game.[/QUOTE]

You don't have to go up in the air or "year" to try and strip the ball from a player. Hayward was in a full sprint so it looked a whole lot worse. Plus LT never even swatted down he is just kind of stuck his arm out and Hayward could not extend his arms toward the basket and he was moving so fast it threw him off balance. Fair play, definitely a foul but not intentional or flagrant.

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[quote name='bigcatdaddy']You don't have to go up in the air or "year" to try and strip the ball from a player. Hayward was in a full sprint so it looked a whole lot worse. Plus LT never even swatted down he is just kind of stuck his arm out and Hayward could not extend his arms toward the basket and he was moving so fast it threw him off balance. Fair play, definitely a foul but not intentional or flagrant.[/QUOTE]

lol, I have no idea why I wrote year, hahahahahaha.

Too me it looked like he hooked his arm, it's probably just cause I'm a tad bit sour we lost.

Not really saying it was a definitely a flagrant, but it could have been called.

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I don't think Butler had any room to cry about the refs. It looked like just about anything was allowed away from the ball. Scheyer and Singler were held onto almost continuously as they ran through the lane or around picks and I don't ever remember it being called. Duke went to a lot more isolation it looked like when they saw they weren't going to be allowed to come free off screens and the holding wouldn't be called.

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Butler was slapping like crazy, and crashing into Duke players who had already gathered the rebound. Radio hosts just say whatever they can to get poeple fired up and listening.

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Crum was spot on. Nobody even mentioned the no call on Zoubek when he just threw Butlers center to the ground while going for a rebound. The game was close and if a few of the no calls were made or the right calls were made (specifically the one where Hayward was called for charging), Butler would have won. That charging call was a 3 point swing in dooks favor.

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[quote name='stankowalski']Crum was spot on. Nobody even mentioned the no call on Zoubek when he just threw Butlers center to the ground while going for a rebound. The game was close and if a few of the no calls were made or the right calls were made (specifically the one where Hayward was called for charging), Butler would have won. That charging call was a 3 point swing in dooks favor.[/QUOTE]

But are you saying that the refs were trying to push it in favor of Duke?

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