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So this was Jakes problem.

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i'll buy it to a point. old dog...new tricks...yadda yadda yadda.

they wanted to play smart football. jake was holding them back. rip was a technician and davidson wanted a more complicated offense. jake couldn't handle either of those. he crumbled under the pressure and didn't have the guts to man up and say it wasn't working. you don't realize your limitations and try to get changes made to suit your skillset then you end up being a liability getting in over your head. there is nothing weak about asking for help. not asking for it when it's obvious you need it is weak.

jake shares a lot of responsibility in this but the panthers share a lot as well for recognizing the problem so late and waiting too long to make adjustments. that has been the case for the past several years of fox coached football. you wait too long to adjust out of ignorance or stubbornness and end up losing.

i like the drastic changes that have been made this offseason because to an extent it is a departure from the old way of doing things around here. still....it's not regular season yet. we still have yet to see what fox does when it counts.

none of this takes the blame off jake, though. his mistakes were his mistakes.

Pretty much. At the least, he was often quick to admit to his mistakes and flaws and take responsibility. It's going to be very interesting how post-game conferences after bad losses are going to play out this season since none of our QB's have been in those situations before.

Whether "letting Jake be Jake" work in Cleveland will work, I'm not so certain. Even if the change in environment boost his confidence and they don't mess with his ways, the team around him is not as good and I still think the Tommy John and all that down time sapped some of his arm strength and made his mechanics worse than they already were.

The one advantage, though, is that he could put up Rodney Peete numbers (which I consider to be his ceiling) and in Cleveland, that would be considered an improvement.

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Jake's problems didn't start in 2009. They started in the 2005 championship game against Seattle. Before that, he was known as a clutch performer. After that, not so much. His last two playoff games for us were horrid, and Scherer wasn't around then.

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Jake should have benched himself.

i said this numerous of times last year.if he was such a team player, than he should know when to pull himself.

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I believe it. You could tell it weighed on him, and unless you've played competitive sports past the high school level, I think it's hard for someone to understand. The mental aspect of the game is huge, quite possibly more so than the athletic ability. Look at guys like Tom Brady... A 6th round pick, not a very good athlete, his arm is good but not great... He ends up being a HOF'er b/c the team let him play his game in their system and gave him confidence - that's the biggest thing.

Everyone on this board knows I'm not one of those polarized Jake Delhomme fans - either you love him or hate him - that's not how I was with him. I was proud of him, but when he started falling off, it was time to go a different direction. And as I said last year, I really felt it was a mental thing. To see the kind of zip he would put on some throws and then leave others hanging like a wounded duck, it was the only explanation.

I can relate to how Jake felt, I went through a similar thing with basketball... BUT, Jake is being paid to play the game and is a professional, so he is at fault in that he didn't tell the coaches their techniques weren't working. I wish Jake nothing but the best, and I hate it ended the way it did here, but hopefully he doesn't harbor any bad feeling towards us either... I hope he bounces back and has a great year.

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I believe it. I hope he bounces back and has a great year.

I agree. I will always be a Delhomme fan.

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Now we just need an article from Chicago showing why Fox's system forced Peppers to dissappear for entire games.

LOL Great point!

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So basically they let Delhomme just throw it where he wanted too. I guess they told him to under throw balls last year and to throw it in double and triple coverage as well.

thank you!!!

you cant teach someone th underthrow and overthrow so many balls the way he did, and last year wasnt the only year so its not like it was the first time and that was actually the reason

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I'm pretty sure the organization did say they were trying to make him more fundamentally sound last year. I don't think the article is false, it is a pretty weak excuse though. Jake is just not a very good or refined QB. His accomplishments are based solely on his intangibles.

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My question would be,if a new fundammental changes was the reason for Jake's flame out ,then why did his problems still persist after he was given the green light to go back to his old style,as attested to by the statements below?

"Finally, after consulting with McCown and others, Scherer told Delhomme about midway through the season to go back to his comfort zone".

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My question would be,if a new fundammental changes was the reason for Jake's flame out ,then why did his problems still persist after he was given the green light to go back to his old style,as attested to by the statements below?

"Finally, after consulting with McCown and others, Scherer told Delhomme about midway through the season to go back to his comfort zone".

It could be because his confidence was completely shot after the first half of the season, I think his confidence was shot after the Arizona game.

QB is a mental game more so then many other positions, if your confidence is shot...you stop being who you are when you throw the ball...take less chances and so forth....It gets to you if it continues to happen like it did with Delhomme.

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Well, if anybody knows about unconventional QB's, it's Mike Holmgren, and Jake is about as unconventional as they come. He really is a lot like Brett Farvre, but with less natural talent, so I can see how trying to "fix" him could backfire.

Anyway, I hope Delhomme plays well in Cleveland, because nobody who works as hard as Jake deserves to go out on such a bad note.

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Such utter bullshit. It's amazing to me how the Panthers are still making excuses for Delhomme. He's always been a glamorized average to below average QB. He's always been a product of the guys around him. In '03, look at all the weapons he had. In '04 Moose was still in his prime and bailed out Jake ALOT. I remember that season very well because I wrote reviews of each game that year for another board. In '05 Smith became the All-Pro receiver that he is today and made alot of acrobatic catches that saved Jake many times just like Moose did in '04. I remember Jake almost getting Smith killed that year for leading him right into a Buc defender with a over-the-head wild throw.

His luck just started running out starting in 2006. Since then he started gradually getting worse and worse. He couldn't be the average QB that could be saved by his receivers anymore. This is when he started sinking to below average standards. He had his highest number of bad games in '08, with the blowup in the Arizona playoff game. It's still amazing to me that some fans think he actually played well that season. I guess the blow up against the f**king RAIDERS wasn't enough of an eye opener for them. Then he poo the bed the following season in '09 and still there were people defending him during that season. Bottom line is no one else is responsible for Jake's play, but Jake. Im sick of this team (and some fans) always making excuses for him no matter how poo he is. I have never seen this amount of coddling for any other player in NFL history.

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