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Be in JR and Hurney's shoes for a minute....


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#37 Cyberjag

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 02:58 PM

Probably because somewhere I read by Gantt or Sorenson (someone locally who professed knowledge of the system) that Richardson wasn't going to retain him because they didn't want to pay him what he was asking money wise for an extension. And no I don't have time to search for a link or argue back and forth. But from what I have read, consistent winning was an issue but money also factored into it as well. He could easily get a coordinator like McDermott for 2 or 3 million a year just like they started out with Fox.


I read that too, but they've also said that Richardson wasn't going to re-sign him because he has never won two years in a row. And now it's that Richardson might re-sign him, but Fox won't sign anyway. They just don't know, but they have to fill inches.

The money thing generally flies in the face of franchise history, particularly where coaching speculation is concerned. I can see not wanting to pay a single guy $20 million for a season, but if the right coach is available, I really believe Jerry will pay what it takes to get him.

With that said, the odds are we go coordinator, which means we won't be paying a ton anyway. When it happens, watch the local press use that as "evidence" of tight pockets...

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 03:00 PM

Just to add a point...

If Fox declared that he was willing to coach next year for $1 million, do you think the Panthers would go for it? Especially if we don't have a winning record?

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 03:08 PM

Seifert was given a five year, 15 million dollar contract in 1999. I couldn't find exact figures for 1999, but currently the average NFL head coach's salary is 3.25 million. Fox is making something like $6 million for this season because Hurney and Richardson wouldn't renegotiate and extend his contract.

Why does everyone assume that Richardson won't spend money on a coach? If you get a great coach and good players, you'll be more successful than if you have a few great players and an average coach. It's the best place to spend big bucks, and the big cat knows it.


^^ This

I have wondered where everyone got this from. I understand it was reported we didn't want to pay Fox but I think a lot of people have taken it out of context.

Richardson does not want to pay Fox that kind of money because FOX CAN'T WIN in consecutive seasons...its not that he won't pay someone, he always has!

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 03:17 PM

Probably because somewhere I read by Gantt or Sorenson (someone locally who professed knowledge of the system) that Richardson wasn't going to retain him because they didn't want to pay him what he was asking money wise for an extension. And no I don't have time to search for a link or argue back and forth. But from what I have read, consistent winning was an issue but money also factored into it as well. He could easily get a coordinator like McDermott for 2 or 3 million a year just like they started out with Fox.


You are correct that money is a major factor in this issue. Fox wants to be paid like a top 5 coach in the NFL. Problem is that his inconsistency does not sit well with JR.

And, I agree with JR.

Why would you possibly pay a HC that can't win back-to-back seasons elite HC money?

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 03:26 PM

I want someone new. Not Gruden..Not Cowher..Not anyone predictable. Someone who when they come in im waiting for the beginning of the season to know what our new philosophy is. Gruden and Cowher wasn't Shanahan in my opinion. They was alright coaches. Look around the league, college coaches rarely succeed in the NFL and past coaches rarely go to a new team and build them up again. Unless your Bill Parcels or Mike Holmgren.

Edited by Jrock3016, 29 September 2010 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 29 September 2010 - 03:26 PM

aside from this year, where exactly do people get the notion that richardson is a cheapskate?

that hasn't exactly been his or hurney's way of doing things. they may not spend money exactly the way fans would prefer, but they do spend it.

they also believe in creating a reason for improving using incentives (which i wish most contracts were written at this level).

considering their desire to get someone looking to establish himself rather than someone who already has and has likely peaked, their coach will probably be the same type of hire. get someone young and hungry and give them incentive to eat. it will be a nice contract for a first time NFL HC , but one thing i am sure of is if there is success, particularly early success, they will be compensated well. consistent success will reward him a contract greater than fox ever got.

you have to go after someone who wants to build a team and appreciates the idea of an incentive laden contract. you throw a lot money at a big name with a lot of it guaranteed and you are going to take away a lot of incentive for them to improve annually.

an already "established" head coach isn't going to go for a deal like that, but that is exactly what is needed here.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 03:29 PM

lol fox thinks he is entitled to top 5 salary figures for coaches