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#31 Frash Brastard

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:16 PM

Let's take a look at an fuller list of QB's we "missed" in the first or second round in Fox's tenure:

02 - Harrington and Ramsey passed over for Peppers
03 - Boller and Grossman passed over for Gross
04 - No real prospects here. Losman was the closest at 22. We got Gamble instead
05 - Rodgers and Campbell passed over for Davis.
06 - Clemens and T Jackson passed over for Williams
07 - Quinn and Kolb passed up for Beason (and Kalil)
08 - Flacco and Brohm (2nd) passed up for Stewart and Otah

Of these 13 QB's only 3 started fulltime this year.

So Fox and Hurney gets 9 key starters instead of taking a 76% chance we get a guy who doesn't even start.

Man what a bunch of idiots.


yea, it did a lot of good only for a 34 year old QB one year removed from major elbow surgery to throw 5 interceptions. You noticed I didn't mention half those guys. And I already made my point of unsuccessful drafted QBs going to terrible teams. Harrington, Ramsey and Quinn haven't had great supporting casts and Brian Brohm was drafted by the same team that took Aaron Rodgers.

#32 Johnny Kilroy

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:19 PM

Why would you want a QB with 1 year of college play?

I would rather take a braford or The Golden Calf of Bristol who have had more time to prepare.

2010 draft is going to be the opportunity we have wanted to get our next QB


I am a Gator fan and I really don't see The Golden Calf of Bristol being that great. He is adamant about being a QB so I think that's what he'll be at the next level. But I just don't see him being that great. So throw him out of the equation for 2010. Bradford on the other hand translates into a better Pro QB.

But really what does 1 year of experience really have to do with it. Sanchez has all the tools to become a good starting QB in the NFL. I like his arm and his mobility. Sure, experience can only help a player but it's not like one without is in bad shape. Hell look at the QBs in New England. Brady and Cassel didn't have much college experience.

Edited by RadioKiller, 18 January 2009 - 11:27 PM.


#33 Kevin Greene

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:24 PM

Sanchez scares the crap outa me too, talent hell yes, experiance hell no. if we expect him to come in here and take us to the playoffs year 1, or heck start year 1, i am not to hopefull. the bust rate on throwing a qb to the fire with little experiance is not too good. freeman and stafford have 3 years experiance each, and would be alot more hopeful that they could cope like flacco or ryan.

personally i am thinking its getting very close to matt moore's time, or its time to look somewhere else quick. we need a definate qb by 2010 alteast. if its not moore, we need to get a guy on the roster quick to learn for a year and take over (mccown?).


I think Sanchez rolled the dice and came out early because he's much more likely to be the first QB picked this year than next. Stiffer competition next year. Plus look what happened to Leinert, cost himself a lot of cash staying an extra year.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:25 PM

yea, it did a lot of good only for a 34 year old QB one year removed from major elbow surgery to throw 5 interceptions. You noticed I didn't mention half those guys. And I already made my point of unsuccessful drafted QBs going to terrible teams. Harrington, Ramsey and Quinn haven't had great supporting casts and Brian Brohm was drafted by the same team that took Aaron Rodgers.


So in other words how you feel about the issue is more important than facts.

Brohm looked horrible this year evetime he took the field. Ramsey had plenty of talent around him. Harrington sucked no matter where he went.

Still are you saying we should have taken Joey instead of Julius? Grossman instead of Gross? Clemens instead of Dwill?

#35 Frash Brastard

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:26 PM

I'm not too keen on Sanchez. Of course he maximized his draft value by declaring early, where another year's stay could've dropped his stock, but only one year of starting experience isn't enough, I'd actually value him more if we seen him play nearly as well next year in school, but we just haven't seen enough of him yet.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:27 PM

so in other words how you feel about the issue is more important than facts.

Brohm looked horrible this year evetime he took the field. Ramsey had plenty of talent around him. Harrington sucked no matter where he went.

Still are you saying we should have taken joey instead of julius? Grossman instead of gross? Clemens instead of dwill?



listen here delhommy we had a very bad game and i am very upset something drastic must be done or i shall remain unconsoleable!!!1


#37 Frash Brastard

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:32 PM

So in other words how you feel about the issue is more important than facts.

Brohm looked horrible this year evetime he took the field. Ramsey had plenty of talent around him. Harrington sucked no matter where he went.

Still are you saying we should have taken Joey instead of Julius? Grossman instead of Gross? Clemens instead of Dwill?


I can't answer that, I don't have a crystal ball, but by the same coin...

Should the Steelers have taken Gamble over Roethlisberger?

Should the Giants have traded for Gamble instead of Eli?

Should the Ravens have stood pat at 9 and picked Derrick Harvey instead of Flacco?

you can sit on your assertions that, while, YES, the Panthers have gotten great production out of our first rounders and that DeAngelo was a better pick than Clemens. But you really think any of the players we have picked have made a bigger impact for their team than Big Ben has for the Steelers? I don't think so, since none of those guys we have drafted have a ring on their finger.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:33 PM

How do you know those players would have made the same impact here?

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:37 PM

So in other words how you feel about the issue is more important than facts.

Brohm looked horrible this year evetime he took the field. Ramsey had plenty of talent around him. Harrington sucked no matter where he went.

Still are you saying we should have taken Joey instead of Julius? Grossman instead of Gross? Clemens instead of Dwill?



I'm a little confused, did Brohm even hit the field this year ?

http://www.nfl.com/p...le?id=BRO095850

Edited by Kevin Greene, 18 January 2009 - 11:40 PM.


#40 Delhommey

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:41 PM

Why would a team use a top ten pick on a Boom or Bust corner when they could get a stud QB?

How do we know that Hurney would have not taken Big Ben if given the chance?

This is not a strong argument.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:42 PM

How do you know those players would have made the same impact here?


How do you know those players wouldn't have made the same impact here?

None of us know either way, but I could tell you that, ineffective as he might look in Cleveland so far, maybe, just maybe Brady Quinn would have a better shot at succeeding with a better running game and a better defense to take the pressure off of him, like we've had.

Basically the only reasons people refuse to even think about first round QBs are because they think of David Carr before Peyton Manning, and have subconsciously grown to accept Fox's opinion that they don't play well enough.

And I don't think that Redskin fans, Steelers fans, Cowboys fans, Colts fans, Giants fans, Eagles fans etc would agree with you that it's a bad decision to make to draft a QB in the first round.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:43 PM

I'm a little confused, did Brohm even hit the field this year ?

http://www.nfl.com/p...le?id=BRO095850


Preseason. He was dreadful.

Not saying he's a bust yet, but he didn't exactly wow anyone.

#43 Fox007

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:45 PM

How do you know those players would have made the same impact here?




Easiest counter ever, how do you know those players wouldn't have made a BIGGER impact here than they did where they went?

The street goes both ways.

I know, I know, you were SOOOOOO obviously right.........:coolgleamA:

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:51 PM

So basically if we could have gotten Roethlisberger with the 28th pick of the draft, people would be happy with Fox and Hurney?

#45 Frash Brastard

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:54 PM

Why would a team use a top ten pick on a Boom or Bust corner when they could get a stud QB?

How do we know that Hurney would have not taken Big Ben if given the chance?

This is not a strong argument.


because when you consider that Jake Delhomme tore his elbow, required surgery, spent months in rehab, is 33 (at the time) and was deemed a major question mark by everybody else but Panthers fans, and the FO's best move to bolster QB is to trade a late round draft pick for a QB who was 2-7 as a starter for his previous team, you start to not really think they don't care much to getting a top prospect in as a young, talented option.

Hell, 2007 was as good an example of why we need a talented heir as you can see. Delhomme got hurt and we were caught with our pants down. And as far as what Carr was "supposed" to be when we signed him, he was shell-shocked and ruined by houston and he didn't even get a chance to really learn the playbook before he was thrown in.


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