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Hurney shouldn't be fired for two main reasons

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Chaos    8,174

dom capers went Jason Peter, Chuck Wiley, and Mitch Marrow with a 1st, 3rd, and 3rd respectively in 1998.

I want everyone to think about that.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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Mr. Scot    34,531

Wrong Ozzie, but the points are valid.

If the team was going to be able to follow a Steeleresque pattern of reloading and pre-emptive drafting, they had to start somewhere. More than one team has started a long, successful run with an awful year.

Hurney learned from a guy that was pretty good at the GM game.

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DaCityKats    1,262

im 50/50 with the hurn-dog. his good has been really good, but boy has his bad been cowpoo.your 2nd reason is why i would keep for the simple fact that no other gm/coach/ players would not want an owner that jumps ship like jr did.

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Mr. Scot    34,531

dom capers went Jason Peter, Chuck Wiley, and Mitch Marrow with a 1st, 3rd, and 3rd respectively in 1998.

I want everyone to think about that.

That was with a pre-DUI Leonard Little on the board too.

(I was banging my head against a wall when those picks were read)

I forget, That might have been the same draft they went for J C Price. I'd have to look it up to be sure.

Edit: Price was 96. The guy I was thinking of was probably Viliami Maumau.

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Cyberjag    1,984

He's been good...but not good enough. If we fire him, we may get worse, or we may get better. Are we willing to take that risk? Or do we want to stay mediocre as always?

Who's been better over the same time period?

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Fiz    878

Who's been better over the same time period?

No one will do that because it will involve A. effort and B. writing something that can be factually refuted

  • Pie 1

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raleigh-panther    1,286

And the last time I checked, Brees was coming off surgery and had been released by the Chargers. Why on earth would he even consider coming to Carolina, when there was no guarantee to start? Brees chose New Orleans over Miami, Carolina wasn't even in the running. And yes, he could have taken Flacco (who was largely considered a reach) over Stewart, and said goodbye to our 12-4 season that year. Hell, it's not like Flacco has even proven to be a Franchise guy yet, but hindsight ROCKS!

If Mr. Hurney could trade up and get E Brown, for what reason, no one can fathom, for a franchise QB, or a chance at one, he could have moved up a few positions for Ben, and the Panthers could have done the same with Flacco, let's see a possible franchise QB or J. Stewart. I know what most football people with a QB with a dead arm would have done. Running backs are a dime a dozen.

With Brees, there was no reason not to take a chance, or do research to see if a chance is warranted, but, that's ok, our main rival in the South has him now. They took a RB with a history of foot injuries in Stewart.

I'm afraid Cyberjag, we can agree to disagree.

Someone pointed out that Polian failed in the 3rd round...but, he hasn't failed with making the Colts a perennial contendor, no matter how many injuries they have. That, is a successful GM.

Can Hurney say the same? How many winning seasons in 10? He and Fox were joined at the hip for all of those years except this last one, why does Hurney get a pass?

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Fiz    878

The Panthers team doctors believed that Brees was damaged goods. Remember, he'd just blown out his shoulder in the season finale and needed rotator cuff surgery.

The Dolphins even consulted the Panthers doctors on that one.

It's also, coincidentally, the reason the Panthers have to play Brees twice a year instead of once every four.

Finally, if you would have taken Brees with what he'd done at that point in his career over what Jake Delhomme had just done in 2005 you're dumb as hell.

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Cyberjag    1,984

If Mr. Hurney could trade up and get E Brown, for what reason, no one can fathom, for a franchise QB, or a chance at one, he could have moved up a few rounds for Ben, and the Panthers could have done the same with Flacco, let's see a possible franchise QB or J. Stewart. I know what most football people with a QB with a dead arm would have done.

With Brees, there was no reason not to take a chance or do research, but, that's ok, our main rival in the South has him now.

I'm afraid Cyberjag, we can agree to disagree.

Someone pointed out that Polian failed in the 3rd round...but, he hasn't failed with making the Colts a perennial contendor, no matter how many injuries they have. That, is a successful GM.

Can Hurney say the same? How many winning season in 10? He and Fox were joined at the hip for all of those years except this last one, why does Hurney get a pass?

Right, we trade up from 28th to 11th in the draft following a year where our new quarterback leads us to the super bowl so we can draft a quarterback. Makes sense to you, not to me.

And in the year where our quarterback makes the pro bowl, we go out and convince an injured third year quarterback who's had one good year in his career to sign with us, with the full intent to start him instead of our guy. Who just made the pro bowl. Makes sense to you, not to me.

And yes, reach further than the Ravens did for Flacco, when your QB is coming back off IR and you just saw a rookie go 2-1 for you. Jake went 12-4 that year, BTW. But if they had done that, I'm sure that everyone would have been behind the trade and no one would have called it wasted at all. Makes sense to you, not to me.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy to disagree with you on all this. :)

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AceMan    637

Well, I'll say this.

I feel like Hurney should stay to keep the "Build through the draft/youth movement" motto going.

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SOJA    5,352

Hurney is a good gm. Yea he may have reached for Brown, but with the Peppers situation looking incredibly unsteady, who wouldn't? Plus Brown should be a perfect fit for Meeks defense.

The Armanti pick is still up in the air. Honestly had we given up anything less than a second I don't think people would be that mad.

Bright side: The lions and rams were too damn stingy to give up an early second round pick in this years draft when we wanted to move up for Clausen. Thank god because without our first rounder this year I would be legitimately depressed.

One thing that does concern me with Hurney, is up to date he has never drafted a major quarterback outside Clausen....there may come a day....say in April when we have to make this decision. God help us he is better at evaluating qbs than wide-outs

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Mr. Scot    34,531

how about you get the f**k out "Mr." Scot

:D

Really easy to look back on drafts and see who was missed and skipped over.

Just keep in mind that everyone else passed on Tom Brady too.

The same guys that got Tom Brady in the sixth also traded up to take Laurence Maroney over DeAngelo Williams in the first.

Second round the same year they took Chad Jackson over Greg Jennings.

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Cyberjag    1,984

No one will do that because it will involve A. effort and B. writing something that can be factually refuted

I guess that would make it too easy, huh? More fun to be sarcastic anyway... :)

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frash.exe    10,817

2. Most importantly, it sends a terrible message to any potential replacement. Here's a guy that just did what the owner instructed him to do, and on top of that has been paraded out in front of the media every week to be pilloried. The guy has no more swords to fall on, yet has become the defacto face of the franchise in lieu of the owner.

To fire him after all he's done (sacrificing his public and professional reputation for Jerry's vendetta) would basically tell every other potential GM that the owner will flush you down the drain the second it's convenient.

i guess this depends on how long of an extension he got. he might not even have to be fired, much like fox

We're already going to have enough trouble finding a coach after the way Richardson has handcuffed Fox. Let's not make it a GM as well.

lets not forget this is the same owner whom rewarded fox handsomely after success, and Fox is fortunate to have an owner as tolerant as Richardson is because on any respectable team he would've been fired before this point. Richardson is courteous enough to not put that kind of black mark on his resume.

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