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Good chance Clausen follows in Farves footsteps.


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#25 Khyber53

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:28 AM

we should hope clausen is the answer, even tho im 50/50 on that right now. If he is, we can use that pick on other positions that need addressing


There's some truth in that.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:50 AM

If we get an offensive minded coach in here who has a thing for Luck and we get the top pick, then some of what folks are postulating could come true.

Much more likely is we go with a defensive minded coach who wants the picks on the defesive side of the ball and all this Luck speculation goes out the window. We keep Clausen and Pike and bring in a veteran who can start right away. We load up on defensive line and corner and sprinkle in some O-line and a receiver or two.

I figure with a better offensive scheme we will be more competitive. There are other guys besides Luck out there who could do the job. He seems pretty raw with only 2 years of college experience.

With that being said we are not going to get rid of Clausen. He is cheap and signed for several years. No matter what happens with Luck, we are not getting rid of Clausen. He woulld make a good back-up.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 10:06 AM

What are we going to get? A pack of gum?


Take whatever we can get for him, Pike showed enough in college that someone out there will think then can make him into something. The Panthers were afraid to waive him and put him on the PS because several teams had their eye on him.

No point having a rookie QB and two 2nd year QB's. Would rather hedge our bet on Luck with Clausen then with Pike.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 12:39 PM

just to make sure something is clear...atlanta didn't trade favre because of poor qb play.

glanville didn't want favre because favre was a trainwreck physically and mentally. he was addicted to pain killers, drank, and partied constantly. he didn't take football seriously. glanville and favre clashed on a regular basis. favre wanted to be traded.

green bay took a chance with him despte the fact he didn't pass his physical...it was years before favre ever even bothered to learn nfl terminology or even read defenses.

People seem to forget this, glad you brought it up.

You mean all the teams that passed on him before we drafted him in the second round? A few who had passed on him twice? All those teams that can see tape on him playing in actual NFL games now?

Look, I feel sorry for The Kid, but there's not another team in the league that would touch him with a 10' pole right now. Maybe he comes back in and plays lights out for the rest of the season, then someone might be interested, but then we wouldn't want to trade him, would we?

The Kid's best hope right now is that he survives the season and the next coach thinks he's worth the rehab effort.

I wouldn't be too sure about the way other teams feel about Clausen. He's shown flashes of ability, and there are probably 31 offensive coordinators out there who feel like they could get more out of him than Davidson has. He's shown steady improvement, and he's been playing with a terrible offensive line and rookie wide receivers, against teams that are constantly stacking the box and rushing the passer.

Put him in Cleveland, and he would be turning in McCoy's numbers. Put him in St. Louis, he would be turning in Bradford's. Put either in Carolina and they would turn in his numbers.

The Favre example is proof enough that even if a player is a train-wreck in one place, others will see him and believe that they have what it takes to make a quality player out of him.

If we get an offensive minded coach in here who has a thing for Luck and we get the top pick, then some of what folks are postulating could come true.

Much more likely is we go with a defensive minded coach who wants the picks on the defesive side of the ball and all this Luck speculation goes out the window. We keep Clausen and Pike and bring in a veteran who can start right away. We load up on defensive line and corner and sprinkle in some O-line and a receiver or two.

I figure with a better offensive scheme we will be more competitive. There are other guys besides Luck out there who could do the job. He seems pretty raw with only 2 years of college experience.

With that being said we are not going to get rid of Clausen. He is cheap and signed for several years. No matter what happens with Luck, we are not getting rid of Clausen. He woulld make a good back-up.

Even if we get a defensive coach, if we can take Luck we probably will. The value is too high not to.

With that said, even if we take Luck I agree with you and expect Clausen to start next year. He'll have a new coach, a new system, and an entire team behind him with a new attitude. Luck would get to sit on the bench for a year and learn the NFL game, Clausen would get to showcase his skills, and both he and Pike could grow into Matt Schaub style trade bait.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 01:12 PM

just to make sure something is clear...atlanta didn't trade favre because of poor qb play.

glanville didn't want favre because favre was a trainwreck physically and mentally. he was addicted to pain killers, drank, and partied constantly. he didn't take football seriously. glanville and favre clashed on a regular basis. favre wanted to be traded.

green bay took a chance with him despte the fact he didn't pass his physical...it was years before favre ever even bothered to learn nfl terminology or even read defenses.

fox doesn't hate clausen, and clausen doesn't have the issues favre had.

despite what some people want to see happen on draft day, clausen is carolina's future.


again, history proves that the fact a new coaching is coming to Carolina....that Clausen most likely isn't the future.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 01:28 PM

despite what some people want to see happen on draft day, clausen is carolina's future.

despite what some people want to admit, clausen may not be the choice for the new HC, in which case we need to get who he wants.

he shouldn't be stuck with clausen just because clausen was drafted in the 2nd round the year before he got here.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 03:55 PM

despite what some people want to admit, clausen may not be the choice for the new HC, in which case we need to get who he wants.

he shouldn't be stuck with clausen just because clausen was drafted in the 2nd round the year before he got here.


Despite what some people want to admit, JR and Hurney (if he is here) may not hire a HC if he is unwilling to work with Clausen.

Not that I am saying they won't take Luck but I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't. There are other positions of need and IF there is a rookie wage scale then that #1 overall pick is going to be worth a TON.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 04:12 PM

Despite what some people want to admit, JR and Hurney (if he is here) may not hire a HC if he is unwilling to work with Clausen.


bingo.

people give head coaches waaay to much power.

the team has already been stripped to what it is now. it's at the starting point of what richardson wants to create. a new head coach is going to have to work with what's already here now.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 04:21 PM

Despite what some people want to admit, JR and Hurney (if he is here) may not hire a HC if he is unwilling to work with Clausen.

Not that I am saying they won't take Luck but I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't. There are other positions of need and IF there is a rookie wage scale then that #1 overall pick is going to be worth a TON.


no coach is going to interview and claim he "won't work" w/ Clausen. Clausen will be somewhere on the depth chart simply b/c he is young and under contract.

new HCs simply always bring in their own QB to run their new offense. Only exceptions are the few Superbowl QBs that have been inherited in recent NFL history.

on top of history supporting the fact Clausen not being the "future". The kid has done nothing for someone to build an arguement that he would be the exception.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 04:27 PM

Our FO watches the games, too.

If Clausen had shown anything at all to this point, I'd agree with the "new coach must stick with Clausen" thing. He hasn't. His progression has gone from trainwreck -> bad and there's not a thing on his film that even hints towards him becoming a franchise type of player. I mean, seriously:

1. He'll have to re-do his throwing motion. His mix of wind-up and low delivery point isn't going to cut it. Fun watching 300lb DTs jump 4 inches and spike the ball everywhere, though.

2. His Carr-esque terror of a pass rush.

3. Weak arm.

4. Playing it safe to the point of stupidity. I mean, it's awesome for him not to lob into triple coverage, but throwing it away on 3rd down with time running out and us down a couple of scores is fuging rage inducing.

Also, what coach who is worth a poo is going to agree come in with no input over the most important position on the field?

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 05:15 PM

Clausen could light it up the rest of the season and knock us out of the Luck sweepstakes altogether. Of course if he does that, nobody but Notre Dame haters will still want to give up on him. I'm not predictin', I'm just sayin'


Yeah, that's what it is. We would all hate if he did well because he went to Notre Dame.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 05:26 PM

Despite what some people want to admit, JR and Hurney (if he is here) may not hire a HC if he is unwilling to work with Clausen.

Not that I am saying they won't take Luck but I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't. There are other positions of need and IF there is a rookie wage scale then that #1 overall pick is going to be worth a TON.


I think Zod would have to shut the board down if we had the #1 pick, Luck declared, and the Panthers traded down.

It'd be funny though.