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#1 Jangler

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:42 AM

Jimmy Clausen
TDS
1
INT
5
YDS
887
RTG
55.5

Sam Bradford
TDS
17
INT
9
YDS
2,466
RTG
82.0

And he did something yesterday no rookie QB has ever done. He threw for 300 yds 3TDs No ints on the road.


Say what you want, the system, the Coach, whatever... Bradford has proved he was NFL ready. Would he have done this good in Carolina? Probably not. But to keep saying Clausen is a rookie and to give him a break, is BS. If the rolls were reversed I don't think Clausen would be having as good a season as Bradford, just shedding a little light...:P

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:44 AM

So you mean to tell me theres a good chance the # 1 overall pick is probably better than thr #48 pick? Shocking

#3 Jangler

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:46 AM

Wait a minute! wasn't Clausen projected to get drafted a lot sooner?

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:48 AM

I think Bradford was handed a grilled chicken (not steak, but grilled chicken) on the plate, and Clausen was handed a whooper on a trash can lid.

No excuses for his play, but I don't even think Fox likes Clausen. the only reason hes starting is because his other options are Tony Pike (whom he apparently hates more), and Brian St. Pierre.

I do think the Panthers surround cast is OK, not good but ok, they WILL be better next year. the situation in St. Louis is *gulp* better at the moment. not to mention the sh*tty division.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:52 AM

Bradford shows SO much more confidence than Pickles.
That's what is most disturbing to me.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:52 AM

Look this was a bad year to start your career on the Panthers. You got drafted by a coach who will be gone after this year and even if you play WELL you might not be here next year.

Bradford was put onto a team that already went through a struggling year with a coach in it for at least another season after this and clearly just needed a QB to be decent (they're 5-6 now)

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:52 AM

Wait a minute! wasn't Clausen projected to get drafted a lot sooner?


Lets just get to the meat and potato's of this and be done.

I think Clausen has potential to be a good qb in this leauge under the right circumstances. I also dont think any rookie qb woudln't do good with Fox/Davidson who run the shittiest most unfriendly q.b offense in the league.(from a glory standpoint, td's, high rating, etc.)

I would like to see what he does the rest of the season before deciding if we should move on from him.

You on the other hand think Clasuen sucks, would have preferred or least say we should have started St. Pierre cuz BSP would have given us a better chance to win.

Your opinion and mine differ on that matter. So we can argue about it, or let it go. I say we let it go.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:54 AM

btw, compare the coaching staffs. Pat Shumur, has 10 years of success with McNabb, Rip Scherer...yea.

but like I said, no excuses, but there is now down Bradford is in a much better situation for a rookie QB.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:57 AM

He may have had a halfway decent season had Fox named him the starter at the start of OTA/TC and started calling plays that better fit his strengths.

Rams did a great job accommodating their rookie. A lot of the players are working harder as well on that team. I've not followed much Ram football these last few weeks but early on, it seemed every time Bradford would throw a 2 yard pass, his receivers would take it 20 yards.

Whether we get Luck next season or remain with Clausen, I really do hope the new HC decides to follow the Rams strategy with dealing with a very young qb.

#10 Jangler

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:57 AM

Yeah, Clausen is proving he probably would have benefited from sitting for a year before playing. It's just too bad he couldn't. But I do hope he is learning and will be much better next year, if he doesn't get gun shy like some rookies do after a year like he is having.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:57 AM

this is like comparing oranges and pickles.not nearly the same calibre qb, which is why braford went in the first round and clausen in the 2nd. Also offensive philosphy is different. Carolina is run first short pass team. Any deep passes are thrown high and to the sidelines as to not allow for ints. Rarely do you see a carolina wr run a slant down the middle or catch a ball in stride. Thats not how the plays are designed. Clausen could get more TD's in the offensive system Bradford plays in and Bradford would struggle in carolinas system.

Edited by chknwing, 29 November 2010 - 11:03 AM.


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Posted 29 November 2010 - 11:17 AM

Before this season, we were all saying the Panthers would be an ideal team for a rookie quarterback, what with their great running backs and offensive line.

No one would have said that the Rams were a better fit than the Panthers for a rookie quarterback.

While it's obvious that the Rams as a team have taken a step forward while the Panthers have taken a step back, I think you can attribute much of the Rams' success to Sam Bradford -- and not the other way around.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 11:22 AM

Clausen is essentially David Carr. You'll understand once you realize how similar they play.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 11:28 AM

All I can say is give Clausen the rest of the season to earn a job. Bradford has played better than I thought he would, but like McCoy he is running a very rookie friendly offense with only half a playbook.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 11:41 AM

I am still of the opinion that we should be giving Clausen more time and that it would be very difficult for any QB to succeed on this current team.

However, the gulf between Bradford and him is pretty significant and someone mentioned the major difference is their confidence and poise. I am already starting to be concerned that Clausen is becoming gunshy. Remember in his first game when he drove us nicely and got picked off trying to get it to Smith? He came out and said he needs to take what is given and not force it. Sensible yes, but he is also not taking chances when our WRs have one on one matchups.

I have a feeling that many of these 'checkdowns' are in fact by design to try to control the pass rush teams inevitably get on us, however it's been a long while since I have seen him drive us down the field with prupose, instead focusing on getting each first down in 3 attempts.

One thing is for sure, it will suck to use our top pick on a QB in two consecutive years. It's not like we took a chance on a boom or bust guy, Clausen (and Luck if that is what happens) was supposed to be decent and low risk. He could well turn out to be pretty good, yet this season is forcing us to evaluate him well before we should be.

It's tough.


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