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#37 Urrymonster

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 11:39 AM

To your speculation about the DEs, I think much of our lack of sack production revolves around lack of DT play meaning the defense can concentrate on the DEs. As for Johnson I really think he has come into his own this year and is a force. I really have not been concentrating on it but maybe you saw it. How many sacks does he have from the DT position on third downs with perhaps Hardy on the edge versus sacks from the DE position.


I am unsure on how many sacks etc, but he lines up at DT in a 4 man front generally around 3-4 times a game, so it's not something he does regularly on 3rd downs for example. When we have a 3 man front he is usually the NT, which is employed depending on the opponent. I will have a look into it though and see if I can come up with anything.

I know that when Brayton has moved inside he has only struggled more. That is with Brown, Brayton, Johnson, Hardy from right to left.

As for Brayton specifically, I would separate his run defense in the past from this year. In 2009 for example he had 45 tackles and 5 sacks. So far this year he has started 9 of 11 games and has 14 tackles and 0 sacks. A huge drop off. Last year he led the defensive line in tackles and this year he is at the bottom. They kind of dropoff is pretty unusual without a major injury. Meanwhile Charles Johnson's numbers are going to be way up.


Something that is worth considering is that he is playing almost exclusively at RE for the first time with us. Whilst he spent time there in 2009 for some games (and played well), this is the first time he is consistently anchored at that position.

Could coming up against premier tackles have that much of an impact?
Could the fact that a lot of teams will run to the strong side impact his ability to pick up tackles?

As for general defensive line play I do think our schemes are pretty poor really. I don't know how much of that is Meeks and how much is Baker. But color me very unimpressed this year. Teams can easily exploit us especially on the edges. Johnson is the only one who is really doing a good job.


Pretty much agree, however Hardy appears to not be caught out so much in the run game. However it's a fairly small sample size.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 04:29 PM

As for Brayton specifically, I would separate his run defense in the past from this year. In 2009 for example he had 45 tackles and 5 sacks. So far this year he has started 9 of 11 games and has 14 tackles and 0 sacks. A huge drop off. Last year he led the defensive line in tackles and this year he is at the bottom. They kind of dropoff is pretty unusual without a major injury. Meanwhile Charles Johnson's numbers are going to be way up.


(this is all imo of course!)

At the beginning of the season with Beason on the Will side and Connor in the middle, teams were going to be targeting the strong side to the untested LB and DE not named Julius Peppers. James Anderson and Charles Johnson have blown up as a result.

Brayton was also regarded as our best pass rusher by a few of the opponents we've played against. I remember him being mentioned specifically on a couple of occasions.

Combine that with his age, and numbers are definitely going to drop. However, he works his ass off and has been around. With all the veterans we had cut, I'm pretty sure he got his "Get Out of Jail Free" card when he was very vocal about wanting to stay with Carolina.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 05:09 PM

Bingo, they just had a prolific offense that forced many teams to pass to catch up, allowing their incredible DEs to do what they do best.



This is actually a myth. He was bad, but the last couple of years he has really shored it up and has been average and at times pretty good at times.

Mathis is not better, nor worse than Freeney is at defending the run.

As DEs? Not sure Davis has the ability to shed blocks, nor exploded from a 3 point stance considering he has never done it and was a college safety. Eric Norwood on the other hand...

By the way BRown is steadily improving, I am cautiously optimistic about him next season


Mathis as a LB usually lines up and plays as a stand-up DE on run downs when Freeney is on the sidelines. Freeney rarely plays on run downs.

Not saying Davis as the DE, I'm saying Brown with Davis behind him as the OLB, much in the same fashion as Mathis playing behind Freeney when Freeney is on the field.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 12:41 PM

Yeah, I'm tired of the "lol @ the youth movement" potshots as well.

#41 Urrymonster

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 01:03 PM

Mathis as a LB usually lines up and plays as a stand-up DE on run downs when Freeney is on the sidelines. Freeney rarely plays on run downs.

Not saying Davis as the DE, I'm saying Brown with Davis behind him as the OLB, much in the same fashion as Mathis playing behind Freeney when Freeney is on the field.


Really? I am sure that happens on occasion, but everything I have seen list Mathis as playing the predominant amount of his snaps at LE?

Freeney and Mathis have played on more rushing plays than anyone else on the Colts DLine...

I confess though that I do not know the Colts incredibly well.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 01:13 PM

You're right. I'm thinking of Gary Brackett, not Mathis. I haven't seen much of the Colts this season, but in past years Freeney was just plain bad playing the run.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 03:05 PM

Freeney has improved his run defense significantly in the past 2 years. He still doesn't make a ton of tackles though.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 04:39 PM

Fox should ask Everette Brown: "What have you done for me lately?"

He's invisible every game. I almost forgot we drafted him.

oh poo i forgot that name, i didnt even know who you was talking about Posted Image

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 06:01 PM

Works his ass off. Can't quite get there.

He's still playing his part of the line. It helps the other guys. And he'll continue to get better.

Sacks will come.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 06:04 PM

our ends aren't bad for for f**k's sake CAN WE GET A DT THAT CAN COLLAPSE THE MIDDLE PL0X


Why? We already have the Nick Hayden.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 06:13 PM

Why? We already have the Nick Hayden.


hey at least Ed Johnson has an INT!