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Throwing good money after bad: Defense

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What would that make his projected cap hit for next season? Ignoring any bonuses etc he may have picked up this season...

his cap hit next season is roughly the same around 11 million.

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I would say that the '1st round picks' we have signed up through free agency are actually budget players. They have not lived up to their hype at all at their previous teams and thus it actually makes them cheaper than signing a player who has come on, yet was drafted in the later rounds.

Once players hit the NFL, where they were drafted means diddly squat. If you want to do this kind of thing then I would look at the players contracts, THAT is the only way to see if we are wasting money on free agents.

hypothetically speaking, one could argue the teams they were put on did not have good coaching at all.

I mean Brayton played for a team that switched head coaches every year or two. And also, wasn't Oakland's defense like top 3 one year or something like that?

Damione Lewis had 5 sacks one year in St Louis, his best total of his career, and pretty good overall for a DT.

Compare salaries you say? (top 10 for each team)

Asante Samuel(CB)$0$9,145,000

Brodrick Bunkley(DT)$0$4,014,720

Brian Dawkins(S)$0$3,340,054

Trent Cole(DE)$0$3,245,250

Darren Howard(DE)$0$3,206,720

Mike Patterson(DT)$0$3,131,250

Lito Sheppard(CB)$0$2,731,720

Sheldon Brown(CB)$0$2,381,720

Juqua Parker(DE)$0$1,806,720

Chris Clemons(LB)$0$1,500,000

34,503,154

Julius Peppers(DE)$0$14,137,500

Ken Lucas(CB)$0$5,905,000

Ma'ake Kemoeatu(DT)$0$3,545,000

Thomas Davis(LB)$0$2,196,250

Chris Gamble(CB)$0$1,983,740

Damione Lewis(DT)$0$1,913,333

Jon Beason(LB)$0$1,718,740

Landon Johnson(LB)$0$1,705,000

Tyler Brayton(LB)$0$1,525,000

Ricardo Colclough(CB)$0$1,500,000

36,129,563

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compare with Giants defense (7th overall i think)

Antonio Pierce(LB)$0$5,300,000

Ogemdi 'Osi' Umenyiora(DE)$0$4,987,500

Fred Robbins(DT)$0$4,001,666

Justin Tuck(DE)$0$2,454,250

Sam Madison(CB)$0$2,150,000

Robert Williams 'R.W.' McQuarters(CB)$0$2,100,000

Danny Clark(LB)$0$1,500,000

Sammy Knight(S)$0$1,450,000

Aaron Ross(CB)$0$1,418,000

Mathias Kiwanuka(DE)$0$1,358,750

26,720,166

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hypothetically speaking, one could argue the teams they were put on did not have good coaching at all.

I mean Brayton played for a team that switched head coaches every year or two. And also, wasn't Oakland's defense like top 3 one year or something like that?

Damione Lewis had 5 sacks one year in St Louis, his best total of his career, and pretty good overall for a DT.

Compare salaries you say? (top 10 for each team)

Asante Samuel(CB)$0$9,145,000

Brodrick Bunkley(DT)$0$4,014,720

Brian Dawkins(S)$0$3,340,054

Trent Cole(DE)$0$3,245,250

Darren Howard(DE)$0$3,206,720

Mike Patterson(DT)$0$3,131,250

Lito Sheppard(CB)$0$2,731,720

Sheldon Brown(CB)$0$2,381,720

Juqua Parker(DE)$0$1,806,720

Chris Clemons(LB)$0$1,500,000

34,503,154

Julius Peppers(DE)$0$14,137,500

Ken Lucas(CB)$0$5,905,000

Ma'ake Kemoeatu(DT)$0$3,545,000

Thomas Davis(LB)$0$2,196,250

Chris Gamble(CB)$0$1,983,740

Damione Lewis(DT)$0$1,913,333

Jon Beason(LB)$0$1,718,740

Landon Johnson(LB)$0$1,705,000

Tyler Brayton(LB)$0$1,525,000

Ricardo Colclough(CB)$0$1,500,000

36,129,563

yea when I was looking over there cap situation for last season it seemed they didn't have a bunch of high paid guys just a bunch and I mean a bunch of players earning around a million or so on the defensive side. You did however miss Klecko, he counted 10 million against there cap. He's listed at fullback and DT. Even though they did switch him to fullback in October of last season.

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compare with Giants defense (7th overall i think)

Antonio Pierce(LB)$0$5,300,000

Ogemdi 'Osi' Umenyiora(DE)$0$4,987,500

Fred Robbins(DT)$0$4,001,666

Justin Tuck(DE)$0$2,454,250

Sam Madison(CB)$0$2,150,000

Robert Williams 'R.W.' McQuarters(CB)$0$2,100,000

Danny Clark(LB)$0$1,500,000

Sammy Knight(S)$0$1,450,000

Aaron Ross(CB)$0$1,418,000

Mathias Kiwanuka(DE)$0$1,358,750

26,720,166

That is impressive.

Ours is not too bad when you considering Peppers was an astronmical $14 milion this season. I was surprise to see Ma'ake third on our list though, for what is not an every down player he gets paid a fair bit. Do not get me wrong, he is important, but over paid for what he does. Seeing Lucas second does start to bed the question if we will see him in a Panthers uni ever again.

Raging are these values including Gambles new contract? Would be interesting to see where he slides in if not.

Your point though is very valid though. Six of our top ten are free agents brought in and although they are in line salary wise with other teams, those players were drafted at their current team. Especially significant when you see that Johnson and Colclough were basically wasted money.

Does your info say where we are in terms of the league and how much other teams pay their defense? Would be intruiging to se where we rank.

Oh andcarpanfan, what would the impact be for Jakes cap figure if we extended him 2 or 3 years? Would we be able to make his figures more managable?

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hypothetically speaking, one could argue the teams they were put on did not have good coaching at all.

I mean Brayton played for a team that switched head coaches every year or two. And also, wasn't Oakland's defense like top 3 one year or something like that?

Damione Lewis had 5 sacks one year in St Louis, his best total of his career, and pretty good overall for a DT.

Compare salaries you say? (top 10 for each team)

Asante Samuel(CB)$0$9,145,000

Brodrick Bunkley(DT)$0$4,014,720

Brian Dawkins(S)$0$3,340,054

Trent Cole(DE)$0$3,245,250

Darren Howard(DE)$0$3,206,720

Mike Patterson(DT)$0$3,131,250

Lito Sheppard(CB)$0$2,731,720

Sheldon Brown(CB)$0$2,381,720

Juqua Parker(DE)$0$1,806,720

Chris Clemons(LB)$0$1,500,000

34,503,154

Julius Peppers(DE)$0$14,137,500

Ken Lucas(CB)$0$5,905,000

Ma'ake Kemoeatu(DT)$0$3,545,000

Thomas Davis(LB)$0$2,196,250

Chris Gamble(CB)$0$1,983,740

Damione Lewis(DT)$0$1,913,333

Jon Beason(LB)$0$1,718,740

Landon Johnson(LB)$0$1,705,000

Tyler Brayton(LB)$0$1,525,000

Ricardo Colclough(CB)$0$1,500,000

36,129,563

Jeez, Dawkins only makes 3.3 mil? What a bargain. Even at his age, the man can still play.

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Jeez, Dawkins only makes 3.3 mil? What a bargain. Even at his age, the man can still play.

I agree, but is it Jim Johnson thats getting the most out of him? Would anyone else? Why isnt Jim Johnson ever up for a Head Coaching Job?

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