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#91 Cavscout

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 04:01 AM

Mike Brown took over the Bengals operations in 1991. A year later he fired Sam Wyche in favor of Dave Shula (great move there) :nonod:

The Bengals overall record with him as owner is 113-202-1 (.359 winning percentage). Over the course of twenty seasons, the team has had two winning records, two. And in both of those seasons (2005 and 2009) the team lost by double digits in the Wild Card Round of the playoffs.

Nine of those twenty seasons - nearly half - have resulted in five wins or less. This season will probably be number ten and make it an even fifty percent.

Besides firing Wyche, Brown is best known for incorporating language into player contracts that takes money away from them if they speak critically of the organization in public. He has no problem keeping poor character guys around though. Criminal record? No big deal. Criticize the organization though, and you're in trouble :frown2:

The Bengals under Mike Brown are a miserable, miserable franchise.

And people think we have it bad...


We Suck less!

Hoorah!

I think?

#92 weyco2000

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 05:54 AM

Mike Brown took over the Bengals operations in 1991. A year later he fired Sam Wyche in favor of Dave Shula (great move there) :nonod:

The Bengals overall record with him as owner is 113-202-1 (.359 winning percentage). Over the course of twenty seasons, the team has had two winning records, two. And in both of those seasons (2005 and 2009) the team lost by double digits in the Wild Card Round of the playoffs.

Nine of those twenty seasons - nearly half - have resulted in five wins or less. This season will probably be number ten and make it an even fifty percent.

Besides firing Wyche, Brown is best known for incorporating language into player contracts that takes money away from them if they speak critically of the organization in public. He has no problem keeping poor character guys around though. Criminal record? No big deal. Criticize the organization though, and you're in trouble :frown2:

The Bengals under Mike Brown are a miserable, miserable franchise.

And people think we have it bad...


Bengals select Cam Newton....

#93 Cyberjag

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 08:46 AM

Oh what a difference 1 season can make.


Funny how that's so easy for you to admit when you're talking about other teams, but the Panthers are all gloom, all the time. :rolleyes:

#94 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 10:38 AM

Some basic truths.

No matter who the Panthers hire, some of us will be happy, some will not.

If the new coach wins a superbowl, all of us will say what a great hire he was for at least a year. After that, he is fair game again.

If the new coach has some good seasons and some bad ones, half of us will like him, the other half will not.

If the new coach flops, half of us will tell the other half of us I told you so, and we will be having these same conversations 3-4 years from now.

#95 WhiteKnight

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:30 AM

Fox wouldn't put Edwards on the field to make Fox look bad by not playing him. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

You do not know that a Cam Newton would be a great NFL QB. No one does.
Why did he have to transfer again?

#96 Kevin Greene

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:32 AM

Some basic truths.

No matter who the Panthers hire, some of us will be happy, some will not.

If the new coach wins a superbowl, all of us will say what a great hire he was for at least a year. After that, he is fair game again.

If the new coach has some good seasons and some bad ones, half of us will like him, the other half will not.

If the new coach flops, half of us will tell the other half of us I told you so, and we will be having these same conversations 3-4 years from now.


For the Giants, Tom Coughlin has to be the perfect example of this roller coaster.

#97 Kevin Greene

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:33 AM

Funny how that's so easy for you to admit when you're talking about other teams, but the Panthers are all gloom, all the time. :rolleyes:


:nopity:

#98 bleys

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 12:25 PM

Some basic truths.

No matter who the Panthers hire, some of us will be happy, some will not.

If the new coach wins a superbowl, all of us will say what a great hire he was for at least a year. After that, he is fair game again.

If the new coach has some good seasons and some bad ones, half of us will like him, the other half will not.

If the new coach flops, half of us will tell the other half of us I told you so, and we will be having these same conversations 3-4 years from now.


pretty accurate..

#99 Fox007

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 04:27 PM

Absolutely LOVE how a text book tackle is overrated. He was the best tackle to come out of that draft. The best feet, best tech. Due to his lack of athletic ability, it was stated he would be nothing more than a great RT (which he was great at RT)...but he plays the left tackle well enough that many consider him a top 10 tackle in the league.

He isn't the beast that most people want at LT, but he plays it better than he was ever projected to be, so therefore, he was worth his pick in the draft easily.

How anyone can sit there and try to argue otherwise, is crazy.



Top 10 tackles aren't good for 3+ false starts per game.

How anyone can sit there and try to argue otherwise, is crazy.

#100 Mr. Scot

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 04:31 PM

Yeah, something we're still looking for obviously. Since 1995 when the Panthers entered the league we have only 19 more wins than the Bengals. About one win per season. Ouch.
We really don't have the right to cast aspersions at the Bengals I'm afraid.

Four winning seasons out of fifteen - nearly a third - and three .500 seasons where the Bengals have two winning years - exactly a tenth - and four .500 finishes out of the last twenty.

A playoff record of 6-4 including a Super Bowl appearance and three conference championships vs a Bengals record of 0-2, two wild card appearances, both double digit losses.

A total of three seasons with five wins or less in team existence. For comparison's sake, the Cowboys have just as many five win or less seasons over the same span (and may have four, depending on how this season plays out). Twenty percent massive failure rate for us. When this season ends, the Bengals will likely be at fifty percent, having had ten of twenty seasons finishing with five or fewer wins in Mike brown's tenure.

To top it all off, not a single head coach in the Bengals past twenty years has a winning season record in that capacity. The closest is Marvin Lewis, currently at 60-79-1. The Panthers first head coach, Dom Capers, finished 30-34 (2-1 in the playoffs). Fox is currently 72-68, including this disaster of a season, and will probably finish at .500 or just above it overall, with a 5-3 record in the playoffs.

But by all means, go on contending we're no better than the Bengals :frown2:

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 04:34 PM

I don't have a problem saying we are better off than the Bengals or Lions, but I would much rather be saying how much better we are than: the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Eagles etc.

(or at least equal to)

Comparing your team to the bottom feeders in the league and being proud of it isn't really a good thing.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 04:38 PM

I don't have a problem saying we are better off than the Bengals or Lions, but I would much rather be saying how much better we are than: the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Eagles etc.

(or at least equal to)

Comparing your team to the bottom feeders in the league and being proud of it isn't really a good thing.

Overall, the Panthers are probably in the middle of the pack teams, not all that bad given that the team is less than twenty years old.

This year has the potential to set us up for a pretty good run too.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 04:38 PM

Yes we're better.
One win per season.
But stay atop your mighty horse.
Throwing stones in glass houses is fun.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 04:40 PM

One win per season.

Playoffs don't count, or are you leaving those out because they don't fit your assertions?

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 04:41 PM

Overall, the Panthers are probably in the middle of the pack teams, not all that bad given that the team is less than twenty years old.

This year has the potential to set us up for a pretty good run too.



I consider us a middle of the pack team as well, maybe closer to the crappier side of the middle than the upper part.(if that makes sense :D)

If the right moves are made I agree that we could be building something special here.


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