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Exhibit A of why you don't draft Newton in the 1st round

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Now I will spring open the second phase of the argument...

The other problem with running qb's (being more oft injured) is, if you properly center the offense around them, you must find a decent running qb willing to sit on the bench to back them up, which is extremely hard.

By "centering the offense" do you mean becoming dependent on their scrambling ability and/or conforming to their poor passing skills?

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um McNabb has weighed around 240 for most of his career and he's had more than his fair share of injuries

like staying in the pocket has helped every qb. look at our own matt moore and jake tommy jone on that one. it really comes down to the individual for every mobile qb in the league that has gotten hurt, i can name you ten more pocket qb's that have went down simply because there are more of them. the running qb is still fairly new we haven't seen enuff of them to really put them all in the same boat.

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um McNabb has weighed around 240 for most of his career and he's had more than his fair share of injuries

And success.

I personally think Cam is a bigger risk than Luck easily, and I think he has the most to gain by staying in school and developing. He has a nice arm and all the tools you need, he just needs more seasoning.

I watched Tyrod Taylor go from a guy that would run way before he even thought to throw, into a legitimate passing threat that developed more and more as he stayed in school. Now I'm not saying he's the prospect Cam is, just saying he could learn a lot by giving it some more time, something I think a lot of guys should do...just not Luck.

I think Cam Newton could be what Vince Young should have been before he went to crazy town.

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By "centering the offense" do you mean becoming dependent on their scrambling ability and/or conforming to their poor passing skills?

2010 micheal vick or randle cunningham would disagree.

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Don't get me wrong I like Newton. I think he has a legit arm and poise to win. I just wouldn't take him in the 1st round when I could have a pocket passer. Honestly, I am thinking at this point that Luck is the only QB that is definitely worth a first round pick.

Mallett apparently has maturity issues.

Locker has technique issues.

Newton has future durability issues and a gimmicky offense in his background.

Right now I am just praying that the NFL and NFLPA can figure out the CBA and Luck declares for the draft.

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Don't get me wrong I like Newton. I think he has a legit arm and poise to win. I just wouldn't take him in the 1st round when I could have a pocket passer. Honestly, I am thinking at this point that Luck is the only QB that is definitely worth a first round pick.

Mallett apparently has maturity issues.

Locker has technique issues.

Newton has future durability issues and a gimmicky offense in his background.

Right now I am just praying that the NFL and NFLPA can figure out the CBA and Luck declares for the draft.

I think you could argue for one of those guys later in the first, to teams like Seattle (which could still be in the playoffs) but Luck is by far the only one worth the overall #1. It's still a risk, yes, but one you have to take.

It will also be interesting to see how the McNabb, Palmer, Hasselbeck, etc situations play out and who puts their faith in one of those on the downside of their career and how it effects drafting.

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By "centering the offense" do you mean becoming dependent on their scrambling ability and/or conforming to their poor passing skills?

Scrambling QB's don't necessarily have poor passing skills. Cunningham had a freakin' cannon of an arm, Colt McCoy is pretty deadly accurate, and McNair had the complete package throw wise (as did Young).

The problem is:

1. Play calling: If you have a QB that can scramble, you have to build the playbook around that. Running plays tend to be options and passing plays are either horizontal (to take advantage of the safeties and LB's run blitzing) or full on vertical (to take advantage of the safeties playing up).

If you want to see what happens when you put a pocket passer in a running QB scheme, take a look at the Texas Longhorns record this year.

2. Protection: Blocking for a pocket passer on a passing play is straight pass blocking. Blocking for a scrambler can become run blocking at any given moment. You need to have more athletic, quick reacting, zone block type O Linemen for a scrambler.

Again, look at UT this year to see what a pocket passer looks behind these type of O linemen.

3. Routes: A WR can go from running a route to having to block at the drop of a hat. Takes a different sort.

4. The clock in the QB's head: Where pocket passers have a natural "tick (first read), tick(second read), half-tick (third read and step up)/half-tick (throw it away/reset if pressure's not too great)" progression, scrambling qb's have a natural "tick (first read), tick (second read), half tick (third read/RUN!)" progression.

Change the QB and you change the whole timing of the offense.

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Plus, he's black.

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Vince Young scares me. Cam Newton reminds me a lot of Vince Young.

That said, if Luck stays in school, we have to take Noootahn.

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Plus, he's black.

neg rep.

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Vince Young scares me. Cam Newton reminds me a lot of Vince Young.

That said, if Luck stays in school, we have to take Noootahn.

from just a qb stand point i don't think vince young is the failure most people think he is. just go look at his win loss totals...

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How will I ever recover those three rep points you stole from me due to your inability to detect sarcasm?

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