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Chalmers Johnson: Our military is useless and expensive, Air Force worse offender


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#31 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 03:13 PM

Aside from the fact that our military has been the proving ground for the bulk of new technology developed in this country, which we now use everyday - I'd rather have it and not need it, well you know...


I think our military could use some revamping though. Iraq has done that to a certain extent, but I think the Navy should move towards more multi use platforms. Would be cheaper and more efficient.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:50 PM

Aside from the fact that our military has been the proving ground for the bulk of new technology developed in this country, which we now use everyday - I'd rather have it and not need it, well you know...


what "new technology" was developed that couldn't have been done by directly funding it at less cost?

and for every new alloy that comes out we blows billions on gay bombs or turning tanks into moving tesla coils or money hole anti-missile systems or some poo.

the MIC is so entrenched that dismantling it on a piece by piece basis is fairly impossible.

if anyone is in to watching documentaries is pretty fantastic, free, and goes into this very well. it includes commentary from retired military officials, current ones, air force pilots, journalists, and chalmers johnson from the original post.

#33 Matt Foley

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:57 AM

How much money do we make selling our useless military stuff to other countries?

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 10:49 AM

There is that, but at pennies on the dollar for what we paid originally.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 11:32 AM

turning tanks into moving tesla coils


now that's an idea I can get behind.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 12:40 PM

everyone go out today and check out/buy nemesis, especially if you want to hear a very well informed, reasoned, and put together argument against all of our military bases.

An argument against ALL of our military bases!?! WTF, are we supposed to NOT have a military? Is that what you're getting at? As for wasteful spending, the whole goddamn government is full of wasteful spending...take a look at the "stimulus" package Pelosi and Co. put together for a clear cut definition of wasteful spending.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:56 PM

How much money do we make selling our useless military stuff to other countries?


hardly anything at all

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 02:08 PM

hardly anything at all


Outside of Israel, probably not too many buyers, huh?

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 02:57 PM

Outside of Israel, probably not too many buyers, huh?

israel gets relatively new stuff, since we kinda use iraeli offenses as field tests for our planned invasions. there are people who theorize one of the reasons iran wasn't invaded was due to how baldy hezbollah kicked israel's ass in lebanon a couple of years ago.

Officially China and India buy the majority of our old hardware. F-16s are a big seller, even though new ones are still being constructed. god only knows how much non lethal military equipment is sold around the world.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 03:04 PM

I am sure by "China" you mean Taiwan.

Latin America gets a lot of planes and parts from us, as well as ships (or at least they used to). Some of the old Warsaw Pact countries are buying F-16's now, and Australia has been a good customer with their F-18 and before that F-111 (thats a chunk of change) buys. Aaustralian Aardvarks!

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#41 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 03:51 PM

How much money do we make selling our useless military stuff to other countries?


Quite a bit. The list of countries we sell arms to is pretty extensive.

Moneywise we are the top arms seller in the world. The Russians sell more equipment, but ours cost more since its generally better.

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 09:21 AM

the F-22 is needed. it is a bad ass death machine, read about it. with the f-22, america will own the skys for the next 50 years. also, we do need the carrier groups. we live on a continent across the ocean from all of our enemies. if they attack us, how in the fug are we supposed to strike back? we have to get there somehow.

the only thing mentioned in this article that i agree with is that the B-2 is a waste. it was developed before the un-manned movement came about. sadly, we could probably produce 2000 unmanned bombers for the price of a b-2.

we will not always be facing enemies like al-qeida. eventually, the time will come when we will have to fight china and possibly russia, especially if we dont get off of our dependence of oil.

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 09:40 AM

the F-22 is needed. it is a bad ass death machine, read about it. with the f-22, america will own the skys for the next 50 years.

who would we ever get in a war with where
A. the superiority of the f22 would be needed
B. it wouldn't just go nuclear

the f-22 has taken the better part of 3 decades and so far we don't even have a fully functioning prototype that isn't completely fuged up by rust or radio jamming signals on the ground.

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 10:42 AM

the F-22 is needed. it is a bad ass death machine, read about it. with the f-22, america will own the skys for the next 50 years. also, we do need the carrier groups. we live on a continent across the ocean from all of our enemies. if they attack us, how in the f*ck are we supposed to strike back? we have to get there somehow.

the only thing mentioned in this article that i agree with is that the B-2 is a waste. it was developed before the un-manned movement came about. sadly, we could probably produce 2000 unmanned bombers for the price of a b-2.

we will not always be facing enemies like al-qeida. eventually, the time will come when we will have to fight china and possibly russia, especially if we dont get off of our dependence of oil.



IMO, we need a handful of b2's and F22's just to keep our edge. The latest variants of the f15 are still superior to any current competition, but we need the new technologies to keep that edge.

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 10:46 AM

Fiz, you are out of your element on this one.

Over 100 have been built, over 90 are in active service. They work just fine.


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