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#16 Wither

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 02:26 AM

Welcome to the club, my friend.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 01:34 PM

So I have never really sat down and thought about it. But I always thought of myself as somewhat of an agnostic. Can't prove there is a God, can't prove there ISN'T a God. But apparently I put myself off as an atheist in things I say and the way I act towards religion as a whole.

So, am I the only one who is "wtf" at this kinda stuff?


Plenty of believers disdain organized religion as well.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 03:12 PM

It is strange to me, only because I am at a private baptist school. So, being agnostic or atheistic here is frowned upon (granted, I came here because they have a good teacher education program). But, it isn't like I care. Grew up a believer, mostly because, as most of you know, if you are raised in the south you are more than likely going to be a christian or involved in some sect of a religion. But after taking the past 3 years to sit back and look at it, religion just seems a bit strange to me. Too many questions and too much blind faith in something that can't be proven. I could take the Richard Dawkins route and consider myself an agnostic atheist, but I think I'm just more of a flat out atheist.

The only hesitation I have in considering myself such is the douche bag atheists I know...I'd hate to be considered one in the same with THEM (as far as ALWAYS having to throw it in the face of the religious).

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 03:29 PM

If you bill yourself as an atheist you will be persecuted. Over time you may develop this "in your face" attitude as a defense mechanism.

No different than any other minority

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 03:34 PM

Plenty of believers disdain organized religion as well.


My mother is very christian and hates organized religion. So yes you have a point.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 03:44 PM

Well thank you

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 07:54 PM

I just have different beliefs from others and many don't appreciate it and would rather "pray for me" and worry about me and my soul than listen to what I have to say and give it a thought.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 08:24 PM

Most people that I have met, whether they are Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist or Agnostic, are never exactly the same as the other another person who says they are of that religion. Meaning that everyone is different. (well no poo Panthers8192)

What I mean to say is people will look for certain characteristics they hold more precious or meaningful in a religious view while disregarding others sometimes even causing paradoxes.

For example: Many atheists claim Christians are closed minded and refuse to see anything the other way around. Funny thing is they are too.

Also I've seen Christians completely hate people that aren't "in your face" atheists. Yet I'm pretty sure there are stories of Jesus reaching out to people who didn't see the world as he did.

Thus at one point I decided that maybe its organized religion that is the problem, but I have seen Churches, Mosques, and Temples help revitalize some people who could not have done it on their own accord. The world refuses to deal in black and whites so I finally came to this, my current (I use current strongly because I feel that religion evolves for people throughout their life) belief system.

While I do have a certain set of religious views, I choose to keep them personal and not identify with any religion nor look negatively on anyone's else's beliefs that didn't coincide with mine. I feel that my closest friends and family can know what I believe but outside of that I don't necessarily care that anyone know, nor do I want them to know. Because at the end of the day a lot of people are incredibly judgmental about what you believe, and sometimes get too caught up in simple words like "Atheist".

Thus my advice for you Lights Out would to be to talk to these people who are judging you and let them know that your actions and behavior should define you, not the connotation of a term like Atheist.

*Finally point, the only thing I do have a problem with is when people's religion enables them to hurt other people either physically or emotionally. But alas as beans wisely said, if there were no religions people would still harm each other anyway, so once again I can not blame religion, just the ignorance of some people.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 08:37 PM

Most people that I have met, whether they are Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist or Agnostic, are never exactly the same as the other another person who says they are of that religion. Meaning that everyone is different. (well no poo Panthers8192)

What I mean to say is people will look for certain characteristics they hold more precious or meaningful in a religious view while disregarding others sometimes even causing paradoxes.

For example: Many atheists claim Christians are closed minded and refuse to see anything the other way around. Funny thing is they are too.

Also I've seen Christians completely hate people that aren't "in your face" atheists. Yet I'm pretty sure there are stories of Jesus reaching out to people who didn't see the world as he did.

Thus at one point I decided that maybe its organized religion that is the problem, but I have seen Churches, Mosques, and Temples help revitalize some people who could not have done it on their own accord. The world refuses to deal in black and whites so I finally came to this, my current (I use current strongly because I feel that religion evolves for people throughout their life) belief system.

While I do have a certain set of religious views, I choose to keep them personal and not identify with any religion nor look negatively on anyone's else's beliefs that didn't coincide with mine. I feel that my closest friends and family can know what I believe but outside of that I don't necessarily care that anyone know, nor do I want them to know. Because at the end of the day a lot of people are incredibly judgmental about what you believe, and sometimes get too caught up in simple words like "Atheist".

Thus my advice for you Lights Out would to be to talk to these people who are judging you and let them know that your actions and behavior should define you, not the connotation of a term like Atheist.

*Finally point, the only thing I do have a problem with is when people's religion enables them to hurt other people either physically or emotionally. But alas as beans wisely said, if there were no religions people would still harm each other anyway, so once again I can not blame religion, just the ignorance of some people.


Well said. I've never been into organized religion, even as a believer. Just too much BS by some people. I blame a church actually, because I remember at 12, I went to a church youth camp for a weekend. I was listening to my walkman, a little Alice in Chains. The preacher of my church saw it and said that if I listened to that kind of stuff, I would, and I quote "burn in eternal hell fire and brimstone" and said he would pray for me. I politely said no and no. lol. That was the last time I had anything to do with anything involving church. Churches are of man.

Religion itself is more my problem, but I'd rather not go into full detail, as I am sure there are ways to try and prove flaws in my argument (like most arguments, really, whether or not there be factual evidence supporting it) and rather not get into a religious battle. Thanks for the advice in handling it though, guys.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 08:50 PM

Agnostic and Atheist are two completely separate religious beliefs. I love how some Christians think they are the same. There are even different kinds of Atheists and Agnostics within the belief. I got labeled an Atheist the other day by some Jesus lovers when I said I was agnostic. Came to my door asking if I wanted to know the truth...I said "sure do, you're not going to murder me are you?". People think because you don't chose to claim you know something as truth, when you don't, you must not believe in anything. This is completely untrue and the difference between being agnostic and atheist.

I am agnostic, however I believe in a God/higher power/something greater, I do not believe is Jesus or any other man made claims of men communicating truths from God. However, I am still agnostic because until the end, I know nothing. It must be to confusing for the religion freaks with their mind's controlled into thinking everyone is either good or evil and there is no room for anything else. What can you do though, religions/myths come and go and were born whenever man cam into extistance, they change and evolve as well, then they fade into history as just another spiritual belief of the time. Buddha, Jesus, Pharaohs and the Pope will all be remembered like Zues and 'earth gods' are remembered today as a myth of the time in thousands of years' time.

Edited by FortySixand2, 29 January 2011 - 08:57 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2011 - 10:20 PM

Agnostic and Atheist are two completely separate religious beliefs. I love how some Christians think they are the same. There are even different kinds of Atheists and Agnostics within the belief. I got labeled an Atheist the other day by some Jesus lovers when I said I was agnostic. Came to my door asking if I wanted to know the truth...I said "sure do, you're not going to murder me are you?". People think because you don't chose to claim you know something as truth, when you don't, you must not believe in anything. This is completely untrue and the difference between being agnostic and atheist.

I am agnostic, however I believe in a God/higher power/something greater, I do not believe is Jesus or any other man made claims of men communicating truths from God. However, I am still agnostic because until the end, I know nothing. It must be to confusing for the religion freaks with their mind's controlled into thinking everyone is either good or evil and there is no room for anything else. What can you do though, religions/myths come and go and were born whenever man cam into extistance, they change and evolve as well, then they fade into history as just another spiritual belief of the time. Buddha, Jesus, Pharaohs and the Pope will all be remembered like Zues and 'earth gods' are remembered today as a myth of the time in thousands of years' time.



Well, an even worse connotation that we atheistic and agnostic get is "satan worshiper". That is always a funny one. It just doesn't make sense to me how the brain washing of organized religion works. Its like people stop thinking critical and start assuming the seemingly unexplainable MUST be God (notice the uppercase "G" to signify Christians in particular).

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page here, I was always under the impression that agnostic is not knowing that there is a higher power, but accepting the possibility based on the premise of NOT knowing. Atheists, however, do not believe in a higher power or an after life. Maybe it was the sentence structure or the wording in general, but your definition kind of confused me.

Edited by XLightsOutX, 29 January 2011 - 10:24 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:36 AM

people don't need a reason to be judgemental. religion problems = people problems.

you could get rid of every symbol of god and religion in the world and people would still find some stupid f*cking reason to kill each other.


damn true

Religious is just another way we divide ourselves. If it wasn't filling the gap something else would. We invent ways to separate ourselves and hate. It's human nature.

Edited by Cat, 30 January 2011 - 08:38 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:16 PM

damn true

Religious is just another way we divide ourselves. If it wasn't filling the gap something else would. We invent ways to separate ourselves and hate. It's human nature.


yeah, I agree all of that loving your neighbor, put others first and alms for the poor is causing a huge divide.


:rolleyes:

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:20 PM

It;s funny, people say guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Then they say religion kills people.

Which is it?

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:52 PM

anyone who is confrontational over their religion missed the point.


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