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#31 KDawg004

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 05:51 AM

What's funny is they reverse the logic for Fairley.

I only wanted Luck, once in a decade type talent, sure, we need a QB but no one else is worth a first.

It isn't fair to compare Fairley with Suh! Suh was a once a decade type player! We NEED a DT and Fairley is RIGHT THERE!


But Fairley isn't a once in a decade type of player. You know who is? Green and Peterson. I started this thread to begin a discussion. Truth be told, those are my favorites right now (Peterson and Green). I see them as rare specimens and to top it off safe picks. Fairley not so much.

One example I'll give which admittedly I'm a bit bias towards is Allen Bailey. He might fall into the top of the 3rd and he had 7.5 sacks his junior year playing DT. Not to mention he is extremely raw. I believe you give him some time and teach him the ropes and his ceiling is as good as Fairley. I think Fairley has topped off.

P.S. the draft is a crapshoot so it's all moot.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 06:08 AM

What I like about Newton is this: he's got the same physical skills Vince Young does (probably even better) but he doesn't have the same attitude. Ever see a VY interview? The guy's an idiot. He sounds like he never took an english class in school. Not only is he a jackass who thinks he's entitled to everything, but he just doesn't seem capable of handling the mental aspect of the NFL. The same was true of JaMarcus Russell, only he was ALSO lazy as hell.

Go watch a few of Cam's interviews. The guy is obviously not Vince Young. He's certainly not JaMarcus Russell. He comes off like a very intelligent guy and also very humble. There are zero work ethic concerns with him, so there go the JaMarcus comparisons.

Imagine having a guy with THAT kind of ability that actually also has a good head on his shoulders too. He's a more talented Josh Freeman. Is he raw? Sure. If we take Newton he needs to sit for a full year before seeing the field. Get Shula to work with him constantly, but don't put him in the same situation Clausen was put in where he's one injury away from being the starter. Sign a veteran stop-gap in case Clausen falters and make Cam emergency 3rd string.

But I really do believe that if he's given a year or so to sit and learn the NFL game this guy could be an absolute MONSTER the likes of which the NFL has never seen. His athletic skillset is absolutely INSANE. I can't imagine he's not being seriously considered by Hurney/Rivera/Morrison as badly as we need a QB.

What has Jerry constantly said he wants to bring on offense? Excitement. Don't tell me Cam Newton isn't under consideration; he's by FAR the most exciting player in this draft AND at a position of need. We may never find ourselves in this position again - at least not anytime soon - and we'll win enough games next year to keep us out of the top-5. That means it's going to cost us some serious picks to move up and take our QB.

Why not just do it now? It's not like any of the other players are THAT good that you can justify passing over a freakishly talented QB prospect like Newton, even if he is a bit of a project.

#33 KDawg004

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 06:33 AM

I unfortunately agree with the above poster. Richardson wants excitement on offense and Newton can bring that. I don't think we'll turn into the Raiders and we'll still be smart about this. Most likely taking the BPA.

Honestly, how many times are we going to be in this position? Look at the excitement Vick brought to ATL. I'm sure JR wouldn't mind that in Charlotte. I wouldn't doubt Hurney having Cam #1 on his draft board. Though I see it more like "give me a good deal for this pick and I'd gladly trade down or I'd gladly take Newton if it's not enough" type of ordeal. Although they are normally reserved and conservative...I would not find it out of their realm to try to make splash and revitalize this fanbase.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 06:37 AM

I really do believe that Newton will do so well in his workout(s) and interviews that he may just be considered the BPA by the time the draft comes around.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 10:00 AM

thats a good way of putting it. many fans have taken on the identity of the fox era. in time they will get away from it, but it will take time.

too much passivity and risk aversion in here. total lack of balls. once they've gotten used to rivera's aggressive nature, we'll start to have more fans that are bold. for years we have just been led by a coaching staff that apologizes for being too aggressive.

i'm so glad thats changing.


I agree with this 100%. We have to go out and be aggressive. Some do not want us to swing for the fences... So what if we don't get it and strike out, atleast we went out swinging and now playing conservative. Others want us not to swing for the fences and maybe get struck out looking, or make a little contact hit to just get us on 1st base!!!

High risk high rewards.... Sometimes we need to take a risk to get above... It's not always a safe conservative way to get to the top.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 10:02 AM

Additional depth at one spot at the expense of another spot that has just as much need isn't a positive.


Mr. Scot, did you not see that the Panthers had the worst offense in the entire NFL last year? Did you not see that we only scored about 12 points per game? The posibility of having two good QB's should be like heaven to every single one of us. Who cares about the other positions if you don't have a good player at the most important position on the field? You can find good DT's in every draft and every year in free agency, but nobody is going to let their franchise QB go on the open market, and there is no guarantee that the best QB will be available to us in the next draft.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 11:31 AM

Mr. Scot, did you not see that the Panthers had the worst offense in the entire NFL last year? Did you not see that we only scored about 12 points per game? The posibility of having two good QB's should be like heaven to every single one of us. Who cares about the other positions if you don't have a good player at the most important position on the field? You can find good DT's in every draft and every year in free agency, but nobody is going to let their franchise QB go on the open market, and there is no guarantee that the best QB will be available to us in the next draft.

There's also no guarantee that the QBs available in this draft are worth picking at number one. In fact, a lot of analysts will tell you they're not.

Again, Clausen is going to get his shot this year. people need to get used to that idea, regardless of whether they like it or not. Draft and free agent philosophy will take that into account.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 11:41 AM

I have pretty much decided that Green is where I want the team to go.


However, if they draft Newton, I will support the team, but not the pick. Much like I have done with AE and EB. I would never, ever draft Cam 1st overall, but what the hell do I know.

On a positive note, it would make KT shut the fug up, so maybe I am cool with it.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 11:43 AM

There's also no guarantee that the QBs available in this draft are worth picking at number one. In fact, a lot of analysts will tell you they're not.

Again, Clausen is going to get his shot this year. people need to get used to that idea, regardless of whether they like it or not. Draft and free agent philosophy will take that into account.


I guarantee you this...Cam Newton could get more than 12 points a game, even if he runs more than he passes, and he would put more butts in the seats while he's doing it.

Also, who is saying that they shouldn't still give Clausen a shot to compete? This is really simple...get an experienced FA veteran, and let him, Clausen and Newton compete for the job, and may the best man win.

Any way you slice it, this offense needs fixing a lot more than the defense does, and there is nothing bad about having two young QB's compete against each other. If they both end up being good, you keep the best one and trade the other. It's a win win.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 11:50 AM

I guarantee you this...Cam Newton could get more than 12 points a game, even if he runs more than he passes, and he would put more butts in the seats while he's doing it.

Also, who is saying that they shouldn't still give Clausen a shot to compete? This is really simple...get an experienced FA veteran, and let him, Clausen and Newton compete for the job, and may the best man win.

Any way you slice it, this offense needs fixing a lot more than the defense does, and there is nothing bad about having two young QB's compete against each other. If they both end up being good, you keep the best one and trade the other. It's a win win.

We already have two young quarterbacks, and I don't buy that they're just going to cut Tony Pike without giving him a chance to go to camp either. Adding a third into that mix would put us in a ridiculous situation.

As I've said numerous times, youth at quarterback is something we already have. We don't need any more of it.

And again, you do not take a two to three year project player at #1 overall unless you have a) an established starter he can learn behind and B) no other significant gaps that need to be filled right now. Neither of those conditions apply to us.

Newton is not a guy who can start from day one. Neither is any other QB on the board.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 11:55 AM

Yeah, we have plenty of youth at QB, but we don't have elite talent at QB. Cam Newton is an elite talent. Even his detracters admit that. That guy would instantly be the best athlete on the field and he would touch the ball on every play. How in the world is that a bad thing?

I don't think Pike is untouchable either. He was only a 6th round pick, for crying out loud, and this coaching staff has no reason whatsoever to be loyal to him or even Clausen, for that matter.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 12:03 PM

Any draft pick is a two to three year project.you learn on the job,by doing the job.and other teams have giving up on young qbs.he can start from day one.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 12:17 PM

So you guys would want Newton if there was a lockout? Cause if he is your guy he's your guy right? Or are most Newton fans taking him just because he is a QB? I think that is a dumb reason to take someone. Trade down to 5-15 and take whoever is left I say, get a second in the deal minimum, is that so unrealistic? There are players more worthy of the #1 pick according to every 'expert' and anyone with common sense. However, if we could trade down and end up with cam or BG that would be ideal and I think easily possible.

Edited by FortySixand2, 12 February 2011 - 12:21 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2011 - 12:20 PM

So you guys would want Newton if there was a lockout? Cause if he is your guy he's your guy right? Or are most Newton fans taking him just because he is a QB? I think that is a dumb reason to take someone. Trade down to 5-15 and take whoever is left I say, get a second in the deal minimum, is that so unrealistic?


you can't really plan around the idea of having the #1 draft pick next year or even really a top 5. So you have to decide if you think one of the quarterbacks in this class or Jimmy Clausen (or a FA) has a better chance of developing into that elite franchise passer the team wants. Then you have to weigh other needs too to figure out, even if Jimmy doesn't turn into an elite guy, if he'll be decent enough that you would be better off going elsewhere.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 12:24 PM

you can't really plan around the idea of having the #1 draft pick next year or even really a top 5..


So you'd feel safer picking Newton and not knowing the future than getting away with Green Peterson or Fairley? The unforeseeable future is even more reason not to take Newton. Maybe not for some teams but at #1 overall, that should matter to some extent. If three is still no terms by draft I would really like to see a defensive player taken. Really just going to have to wait and see.


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