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Mayock is one of the most respected out there, garnering support from actual scouts and has turned down several jobs in the NFL.

He has access to one very important tool you don't, coaches tape.

Mayock is respected and is one of the best draft analysts but given that most of them are not that great, it may not be saying that much. For my money I trust a guy like Gil Brandt more. He has been there and done that.

If you look at his mock draft in 2009 he didn't have a quarterback in the top 10 and had the top pick as Eugene Monroe.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d80d41b6d/article/monroe-takes-over-the-no-1-spot-in-list-of-top-20-prospects

Here is how the draft actually went:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-by-round-input:1

His top pick went 8th and was the third OL taken in the draft. The guy he rated as the second and third best on the OL all went before his pick. Stafford went number 1 who he had as his second best quarterback at 13. Sanchez who he had at 11 went 5th.

How about in 2010??

He had Bradford going 5th and Clausen going 20. The Golden Calf of Bristol who went 2nd at number 17 of the first round he had ranked behind both Clausen and McCoy who went in the third round.

So honestly the fact that Newton is his 3rd ranked quarterback means little regarding how things will actually play out.

So while his overall analysis is respected, his mock drafts and positional rankings particularly at quarterback rarely mirror what actually happens in the actual draft.

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He improved. What Mayock points out is huge. Reading the Defense. Not worth the first pick. I don't think Cam can read the numbers on the field without help from the coach.

Honestly how would you possibly know. Did you ever have a conversation with him?? Who knows if he can read a defense. I don't know nuclear physics either but that doesn't mean I can't learn or am stupid because I don't.

That kind of uninformed bias speaks to another kind of ignorance.

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Honestly how would you possibly know. Did you ever have a conversation with him?? Who knows if he can read a defense. I don't know nuclear physics either but that doesn't mean I can't learn or am stupid because I don't.

That kind of uninformed bias speaks to another kind of ignorance.

Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. I don't understand how anyone can have such a strong opinion about Newton right now, when his biggest problems are things we don't have access to. I think sports fans just really like to put their balls on the line and start player x vs player y arguments, when in reality, they don't really have enough evidence to support either. I have a really simple view on Newton, if you sit down with him and deem that he's a football smart guy, go for it. If not, stay away. I honestly have trouble understanding how people can be so adamant in their views with this guy.

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Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. I don't understand how anyone can have such a strong opinion about Newton right now, when his biggest problems are things we don't have access to. I think sports fans just really like to put their balls on the line and start player x vs player y arguments, when in reality, they don't really have enough evidence to support either. I have a really simple view on Newton, if you sit down with him and deem that he's a football smart guy, go for it. If not, stay away. I honestly have trouble understanding how people can be so adamant in their views with this guy.

There are plenty of people on the opposite side who are sure Newton is the next great QB.

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There are plenty of people on the opposite side who are sure Newton is the next great QB.

I'm sure he has every ability to be the next great one. But he definitely has questions and things he needs to work on. But I feel that is true of any QB that ever comes out and i actually don't think it is exponentially higher with Cam than any other QB that is rated a high first rounder. Especially the physical side of it. His problems for me doesn't come from his projection to the NFL or talent. It is the character stuff. That is the only thing keeping this guy from being a slam dunk for number 1 overall.

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Gabbert on film looks pretty good. Gabbert on youtube does not. There's a difference. =P

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Newton has more than just the character flags, despite what you think you've "debunked."

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Newton has more than just the character flags, despite what you think you've "debunked."

I think I just said that. I just consider the other stuff to be minor in nature and easily correctable.

Tell me this Jack. If he has so many red flags, and his mechanics is so far off, why would 6 NFL teams have him as the #1 overall prospect. How can he be that far off and have all this other character stuff and be that highly rated by multiple teams??

Serious question. Are these teams stupid??? Don't know any better??

I mean The Golden Calf of Bristol had legit mechanical deficiencies but off the chart intangibles but was rated in the late first round to second round.

Why would a guy that is so far off with his mechanics, according to you, and with off the field questions be rated so much higher than a guy that also has bad mechanics but is a great guy and a winner??

My belief is that because teams feel like he is pretty solid in every area except this off the field stuff. His mechanics are actually really good. Does he have some problems with is footwork sometimes?? Yes. But that is a pretty easy fix.

Does he need to adapt to an NFL offense? Yes, but actually so do QB's that come from pro systems and there is zero evidence that they do so quicker than QBs from non-traditional offenses in college.

Does he need to adjust to NFL defenses?? Yes, but so do all young QBs when they make that transition.

I don't believe he is perfect in every way. I just feel like he has no more questions than any other QB rated in the top ten would.

With the lone exception of the off the field stuff which in my belief is his biggest obstacle in deciding whether he will be picked first or 10th overall.

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There are plenty of people on the opposite side who are sure Newton is the next great QB.

Anyone who is so sure about any prospect is fooling themselves. You can say a certain player is safe, and that they'll at least be OK given certain traits that transition well. To say someone like Newton is a guaranteed hit OR bust however, is being overly confident in something they don't really know.

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Ick.

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Blaine Gabbert- 44.3 percent, 6 TD, 5 INT<----3rd down efficiency. That's horrible.

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Honestly how would you possibly know. Did you ever have a conversation with him?? Who knows if he can read a defense. I don't know nuclear physics either but that doesn't mean I can't learn or am stupid because I don't.

That kind of uninformed bias speaks to another kind of ignorance.

He has no idea whether or not Cam can read defenses or even learn to read defenses. He just looked at him and assumed he was dumb. We all know why, but to say so would derail this post.

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