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#25 Mr. Scot

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:17 PM

ESPN boards?

The Panthers used to have an official team message board.

Someone that was a PSL owner whined to a team official (Mark Richardson, I suspect) that they weren't treated "respectfully" enough and the plug got pulled.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:20 PM

In all the discussion of quarterbacks on here, I've only ever seen one person say he didn't like black quarterbacks, and he was roundly chastised for it.


It's more subtle than that. It's when people question the work ethic or intelligence of the black qb. Has there been any debate over whether Gabbert has the drive or intelligence to become a good NFL qb? Not really.

I also saw one announcer at the combine refer to Cam as "well spoken". Do white guys get described as well spoken? No, it's just taken as a given that they are.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:22 PM

It's more subtle than that. It's when people question the work ethic or intelligence of the black qb. Has there been any debate over whether Gabbert has the drive or intelligence to become a good NFL qb? Not really.

I also saw one announcer at the combine refer to Cam as "well spoken". Do white guys get described as well spoken? No, it's just taken as a given that they are.


Actually, there has. I personally questioned Gabbert's football IQ when he made that horrible game losing interception in his bowl game.

You don't hear much about Gabbert here because 95% of the quarterback threads on here are about Newton.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:23 PM

It's more subtle than that. It's when people question the work ethic or intelligence of the black qb. Has there been any debate over whether Gabbert has the drive or intelligence to become a good NFL qb? Not really.

I also saw one announcer at the combine refer to Cam as "well spoken". Do white guys get described as well spoken? No, it's just taken as a given that they are.


I agree with you. That's the type of sh*t that pisses me off. I'd like to here the guys on tv without their teleprompter.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:26 PM

Actually, there has. I personally questioned Gabbert's football IQ when he made that horrible game losing interception in his bowl game.

You don't hear much about Gabbert here because 95% of the quarterback threads on here are about Newton.


there is a double standard when it comes to Gabbert. Just go look at the other thread and ESPN comparing Newton to Gabbert all of a sudden what you do in college doesnt matter and Gabbert is still the "better" QB.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:27 PM

Okay, maybe there has been discussion about Gabbert's intelligence and I missed it. My point is that people on this board and in the media seem to be much quicker to worry about about a qb's intelligence or work ethic if the qb is black.

Edited by Tom, 09 March 2011 - 01:32 PM.
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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:29 PM

Were there many Panthers fans that didn't like Rodney Peete bc he was black?


no but there were a ton of fans that hated him cause he sucked balls

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:38 PM

It's more subtle than that. It's when people question the work ethic or intelligence of the black qb. Has there been any debate over whether Gabbert has the drive or intelligence to become a good NFL qb? Not really.

I also saw one announcer at the combine refer to Cam as "well spoken". Do white guys get described as well spoken? No, it's just taken as a given that they are.

Questions about work ethic and intelligence are definitely not limited to black quarterbacks. I've heard them asked about plenty of guys. Most notably in the past, Ryan Leaf. This year, people have character and attitude concerns about Ryan Mallett. You won't see them much here though because nobody is interested in taking him at number one.

And yes, there are plenty of times when white quarterbacks are talked about as being well-spoken, or not so.

Bottom Line: It's not racist to ask any question if you think it's a legitimate issue, regardless of race. But for those folks who you want to read racism into something, it's possible to see it in anything - apparently even a compliment - regardless of whether it's actually there or not.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:39 PM

I am not a fan of Clausen but have been one for Newton. I guess that either makes me a zero bar or like most fans on this board and within the fan base, I am rootiing for the player that I think can get the job done regardless of his color, race or sexual preference.

The only physical attributes I care about have to do with speed, strength, and athletic potential. As far as quarterback goes it is more important that they be a hard worker, give everything every day, and leave it out on the field. I want to know what kind of leader they are and whether they garner respect from his peers.

I do admit to being prejudiced against little green people, werewolves and zombies.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:44 PM

Questions about work ethic and intelligence are definitely not limited to black quarterbacks. I've heard them asked about plenty of guys. Most notably in the past, Ryan Leaf. This year, people have character and attitude concerns about Ryan Mallett. You won't see them much here though because nobody is interested in taking him at number one.

And yes, there are plenty of times when white quarterbacks are talked about as being well-spoken, or not so.

It's not racist to ask a question if you think it's a legitimate issue, regardless of race.

If you want to read racism into something, then you can see it in anything, regardless of whether it's actually there or not.


I agree to a certain extent but don't be blind. How you break records and go undefeated to win championships twice and have your work ethic questioned is beyond me and the media still questions him. Mallet has cocaine accusations and no one mentions it, the only thing you here about him is he's going to be a steal and his great arm, yet Cam comes out of college with the highest QB rating and completion percentage and everyone concerned if he can throw and has a enough smarts to play QB

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:46 PM

It's more subtle than that. It's when people question the work ethic or intelligence of the black qb. Has there been any debate over whether Gabbert has the drive or intelligence to become a good NFL qb? Not really.

I also saw one announcer at the combine refer to Cam as "well spoken". Do white guys get described as well spoken? No, it's just taken as a given that they are.


Zod, not that my opinion is special, but IMO its good to get this discussion on the table. Almost no one above caveman level has a problem with rooting for black athletes these days. However, I believe its a different story when you are talking about the leadership position on the field. This position has historically been held by white guys, and some have trouble envisioning black guys in the same position. Call it racism or something else, but the result is the same.

As Tom points out above, if a black QB is being considered, many immediately question his intelligence and work ethic, and this happens much less with white guys. If you do not think this is true, you just haven't looked with an open mind. It is everywhere.

Then there are the suggestions that black players can't handle money or success, that once either is achieved, they turn lazy or turn Hollywood.

People assume Blaine Gabbert is smart and a hard worker, because his QB mentor said so, but when Cam's says the same, its suspect.

There is no question there is a double standard.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 01:47 PM

It's more subtle than that. It's when people question the work ethic or intelligence of the black qb. Has there been any debate over whether Gabbert has the drive or intelligence to become a good NFL qb? Not really.

I also saw one announcer at the combine refer to Cam as "well spoken". Do white guys get described as well spoken? No, it's just taken as a given that they are.


funny, because that was something people said about Gabbert at the combine. Those racist bastards!

Also, no, nobody really question's Gabberts intelligence per se (football decision making, yes, intelligence, no) because he's earned some academic recognition so at very least he's book smart. Doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL but he apparently took college seriously enough to work at it and get good grades.

People assume Blaine Gabbert is smart and a hard worker, because his QB mentor said so, but when Cam's says the same, its suspect.

There is no question there is a double standard.


This is not exactly true. As I mentioned above, Gabbert has shown he's smart in other areas. As to being a hard worker, I've not seen many people specifically say that Newton doesn't or won't work hard, just saying he's going to have to work through a transition the same way Gabbert will. Gabbert's will be different due to different types of offense and different levels of preparedness, but he's still going to have to work at it.

Edited by mav1234, 09 March 2011 - 01:50 PM.