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#46 Proudiddy

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:15 PM

Take a break, man. Get some fresh air.


But don't you see the originality and uniqueness of his argument that merited a whole new thread. HATER.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:16 PM

:shocked:

your right nothing to do with all the success and excitement he caused in his college career.


I didn't say that.

#48 YourMomsLover

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:16 PM

:shocked:

your right nothing to do with all the success and excitement he caused in his college career.


By college career, you must be thinking of last season.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:16 PM

Let's not act like there aren't any people here who want Cam aided by the fact that he's black.


Just like we won't pretend that comments like he is isn't smart and can only run but not throw aren't infuenced by the fact he is black. Frankly if I were black I would want him here not because he is black but because He has the ability and the potential to be great. But it wouldn't hurt that he could also change the stereotypes about black athletic quarterbacks and the fact he is black.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:17 PM

See... I can respect this guy. He's going after Cam using emotional subjective allegations and assertions, most of which are unprovable, but he's admiting "I don't like him or his family." Cool. Gotcha.

Now, of course, my response would be that none of what he said really matters in the NFL, but hey... that's PackPanther's opinion, and I can respect it.

Good post man.


Which would save this site a lot of bandwidth if Mr. Scot would just do the same.:lol:

#51 CarolinaPanthers8789

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:17 PM

Ummmm only one of those reasons is about Cam Newton, the rest are generic relations to the QB position or things outside of actually playing football...


Um.

Not hardly, only one is.

I will type it out so even you can understand.

1. Athleticism- His overall ability is a rare talent.
2. Best Chance to Win- Out of the draft Newton gives the Panthers the best chance to win, unless someone else wants to argue for another QB.
3. Only one team has Ron Rivera and his "teaching" staff, who should be able to really develop Cam if we choose to draft him.
4. Risk vs. Reward- Has the best upside out of anyone in the draft if (the "if" should be replaced with a "when" with the coaching staff in place) he reaches his full potential.
5. Irrelevant to his actual skills, but would bring some attention that the Panthers fanbase waver on way to much.

#52 Mr. Scot

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:18 PM

Who is supposed to be the guy then? You keep mentioning vet QB's but there's no good options out there. The Bengals seem unwilling to trade Carson Palmer and even if they did why would he come here to the worst team in the league? Orton? McNabb? Hasselbeck? Volek? Like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. The best chance we ever have of getting a franchise QB is through the draft. We might never be in this position again. It's perfect timing with a new coaching staff coming in. Newton/Gabbert aren't perfect but they're the best options out there.

Palmer would be best (and I say this as a longtime Palmer detractor) but whether or not he can be had is a question mark. Orton would be good too but there's probably less chance of getting him than Palmer.

Volek knows that system and has been an effective starter in the past. He's up there in years though. Much shorter solution than palmer would be.

There's been some good stuff written about Bulger recently, and he's another guy with experience in a related system (via Martz) so he could be an option.

All in all though, I have to go back to what I've said before. We picked a really bad year to need a quarterback.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:19 PM

By college career, you must be thinking of last season.


Same can be said for Andrew Luck, Blaine Gabbert, and Jake Locker my friend.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:20 PM

honestly no reason even arguing anymore

I'm done on any subject regarding Newton or Gabbart until the 28th of April.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:21 PM

Honestly I think Cam has all the talent in the world but do I want him. HELL NO. The reasons:
1) He is crook. Stealing a computer when at UF. Thats not someone who I want to be the face of my franchise.
2) I dont like his family. I know people will say you cant judge people based on their families but if his dad is blackmailing schools to get his son. I know this is generalizing, but bad families usually create bad kids.
3) I dont think he is smart enough to be a NFL QB. Just listening to him talk and seeing how he has worked with 3 big time QB coaches and still has so many problems, then I dont think he is smart enough.
4) I can see him being really just wanting to be an icon. He is going to have a big "possy", waste money, go to strip clubs, its just asking for trouble.

I know I am generalizing on a lot of these topics but I have just seen it time and time again and I cant see him being a big time QB.


Obviously you are one of the folks this thread is directed towards. THose comments are defintely racist and you don't have to be black or racially sensitive to see them. We will all be better off if you keep those kind of ignorant comments to yourself.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:21 PM

See... I can respect this guy. He's going after Cam using emotional subjective allegations and assertions, most of which are unprovable, but he's admiting "I don't like him or his family." Cool. Gotcha.

Now, of course, my response would be that none of what he said really matters in the NFL, but hey... that's PackPanther's opinion, and I can respect it.

Good post man.


just curious, but do you think he has a good family? a dad who is basically a stage parent the sells his son around like a pimp. I mean I hope I am wrong even if we dont get Cam. I never hope that he will be a bum but thats just the feeling I get.

also which of these are unproven. We know that his father was trying to get money out of schools and we know Cam stole a laptop. We also know he cheated on a test which I didnt even mention in my first post. so, which of these "allegations" is unproven?

#57 Proudiddy

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:21 PM

Blah blah blah

I'm cool on the internet.

Look at my new thread.

Someone ask me a question so I can spit some unoriginal rehashed knowledge on you and you say "thank you, may I have some more sir."

#58 TheRed

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:23 PM

Christ. We know you don't want Cam Newton Mr Scot.

I've been reading this board a few years now, and i respect you as a poster. But this all cracks me up. You claim to not want a QB at all in the draft, even though you were ok with Luck who for all we know be a bigger bust than Newton could. Didnt you make a thread recently saying you'd be willing to take Blaine Gabbert? Maybe you were kidding, i don't know.

This whole thing is ridiculous. I see arguments from both sides, and interesting points raised by both as well.

However, just because others don't agree with you doesn't mean their opinion is inferior to your 'vast knowledge'. We have a new coaching staff, but it seems to me a lot of people here still cling to the conservative John Fox era. I doubt anyone wants to hear "there's always next year" anymore.

Rivera has his a big ass weight on his shoulders. His tenure here is going to be determined by how he addresses the QB position. Think he's gonna risk his first HC gig with an aging QB?

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:24 PM

Let's not act like there aren't any people here who want Cam aided by the fact that he's black.


What does this statement even mean?

#60 YourMomsLover

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:24 PM

mustang on Nascar track...need I say more:p


This sounds like what you might be infering....

"I know you arent a Cam fan, because you have a love for Mustangs, and NASCAR! Thats how I know you dont want a BLACK QB!"

Is this right???


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