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Does Greg Hardy get the starting role?

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Obviously Charles Johnson will be on one side, but what about the other side? Will it continue to be a "by committee" sort of thing with Brown/Hardy/Brayton/etc?

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Training camp battle. Best man wins the job.

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I think he has a pretty good shot.

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He'll probably win out in TC unless Brown is finally ready.

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Obviously you forgot Charles Johnson is a free agent. I'm not saying he is gone but I don't think you can pencil him in just yet. I think the Panthers will want to keep him but I have no clue what he wants or what other team may be willing to pay him.

This year's free agency will be very interesting since chances are it will come after the draft and not before it. Teams often draft for need when free agency plans don't work out even though everyone says they don't want to do it. So if a team that was really wanting a DE and missed on one in the 1st round be willing to overpay for Johnson even more so than in the past? Will it have no effect at all? Will teams have a chance to resign players before the market is completely opened up?

So many questions and until the CBA is worked out we don't know. We could end up not even able to keep Kalil if the franshise tag is gotten rid of.

So does the team go into the draft with Johnson on the team or do they go into the draft without any of their RFA or FA in the concret plans for 2011?


But to answer your question, no I don't think Hardy is ready yet to be a starter and a year without OTAs and training programs is going to hurt that. He's probably an offseason away from being ready to compete for a starting position and he is probably not getting that this year. If Johnson were not to return it would be Brayton and Brown starting, or if Johnson were to return Johnson and Brayton.

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[quote name='XClown1986']Training camp battle. Best man wins the job.[/QUOTE]

we have seen how this always goes....

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[quote name='brandon_87']we have seen how this always goes....[/QUOTE]

Under Fox, not Rivera.

I think he does win the job, buy needs to work on stopping the run by being more disciplined.

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades']Under Fox, not Rivera.

I think he does win the job, buy needs to work on stopping the run by being more disciplined.[/QUOTE]

The whole rivera situation sounds fishy.... just another pawn for Hurney.... I'm sure it will be the same

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Brayton is a FA too, is he not?

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[quote name='brandon_87']The whole rivera situation sounds fishy.... just another pawn for Hurney.... I'm sure it will be the same[/QUOTE]

...ok...

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades']Brayton is a FA too, is he not?[/QUOTE]

I thought he signed a 2 year contract... I'm just not sure if it was for 09/10, or 10/11

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If you let Charles Johnson get away then you completely turn your back on the entire "build through the draft"/"develop young talent" approach.
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im pretty sure he is a FA

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[quote name='brandon_87']I thought he signed a 2 year contract... I'm just not sure if it was for 09/10, or 10/11[/QUOTE]

He's signed a two year deal last year so he is good through 2011.

[QUOTE]If you let Charles Johnson get away then you completely turn your back on the entire "build through the draft"/"develop young talent" approach. [/QUOTE]

I agree and I don't think the Panthers are not planning on trying to resign him but just like with Peppers sometimes it's not about what the Panthers want but rather the player. And there is also other teams. I like Johnson but a desperate team could come in and completely out-bid the Panthers and they have to be smart about how much money you give to a one year starter, even if you did draft and develop him.

I think he ends up back in Carolina but my point was lets don't go counting our chickens before the eggs hatch.

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Personally, I think unless Brown comes back beefed up and has worked on his rips and spins rather than relying on his agility then Hardy's got the starting gig. Regarding Brayton, well I'm not even sure Brayton will be back with the team next year.

Hardy just played out of his freaking mind. Just watch him in this video. His drive looks like a "any means necessary" guy to get to the ball wherever it is.

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[B]Hardy was all over the place, he racked up 30 tackles, 24 solo tackles, 6 assists, 3 sacks, 4 tackles for a loss, 5 yards lost on a tackles for a loss, 2 forced fumbles, 1 blocked kick, and 1 pass defended. [/B]

Hardy and Johnson will become the new faces on the outside for the Panthers in years to come, if we can just get another DT to stuff the run or penetrate then our D-Line will be looking pretty nasty.

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if the Panthers let Johnson walk I don't know if I'd be able to support them for a while. I can handle DWill walking even though he's one of my favorite Panthers ever... but Johnson, aside from Beason, is the most important part of our defense and is absolutely crucial if we plan to compete soon. If they let him walk without throwing a huge contract at him I will probably take a break from the NFL for a while.

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If you don't think Johnson will be back with the Panthers then you are on Ryan Mallets crack. Johnson and Beason anchored the defense this year and the coaches coming in now that. I can guarantee you that Meeks has already relayed this information to McDermott and Rivera and when the CBA finally gets put in place, Johnson will sign with the Panthers. Finally money is not a factor it's just all depending on how cheap Hurney wants to be.

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[quote name='CarolinaPanthers8789']If you don't think Johnson will be back with the Panthers then you are on Ryan Mallets crack. Johnson and Beason anchored the defense this year and the coaches coming in now that. I can guarantee you that Meeks has already relayed this information to McDermott and Rivera and when the CBA finally gets put in place, Johnson will sign with the Panthers. Finally money is not a factor it's just all depending on how cheap Hurney wants to be.[/QUOTE]

Biggest reason I think most of our free agents will be back is the Panthers literally have to spend upwards of $50 million dollars just to reach the salary FLOOR. If they have to overpay Johnson I'm 100% fine with that. The guy is going to be a star in this league.

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I agree 100%, He just had to wait his turn and he did, now it is paying off.

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Hardy>Brown for sure, I'd be picking my jaw up off the floor if anyone but Hardy got the starting job. Only Brayton would have a chance, a slim chance.

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Damn Gettis is going to be good.
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I really like Johnson and like I said I think he does end up back with the Panthers but I am not on board for over paying for a guy that had one good year. It wasn't even a great year, just good.

He is important to the rebuilding plans of this team, that I have no doubt. But if there is a cap, you can not risk the future for a player like Johnson.

And again let me say I expect him to be back, just not banking on it yet.

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Johnson outplayed Peppers in 2010, and he had very little help.

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[quote name='kennypowers30']Biggest reason I think most of our free agents will be back is the Panthers literally have to spend upwards of $50 million dollars just to reach the salary FLOOR. If they have to overpay Johnson I'm 100% fine with that. The guy is going to be a star in this league.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the number but the thing is that there really is a lot of players on this team that need to be resigned. And then there is the draft picks and even without the 2nd rounder having the 1st pick is really expensive compared to drafting in the teens or 20's. Then we also want to bring in free agents.

$50mm is a lot of money but when you start signing contracts, money starts going pretty damn fast.

Just as a point of reference, I would be okay with a 4-5 year deal worth $30mm and $10mm gaurenteed. And to me that would be pushing close to overpaying for Johnson. I think $36mm would be my absolute limit. Would you go higher than that?

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[quote name='mountainpantherfan']I really like Johnson and like I said I think he does end up back with the Panthers but I am not on board for over paying for a guy that had one good year. It wasn't even a great year, just good.

He is important to the rebuilding plans of this team, that I have no doubt. But if there is a cap, you can not risk the future for a player like Johnson.

And again let me say I expect him to be back, just not banking on it yet.[/QUOTE]

I agree to some point, I wouldn't give him an outrageous amount of money, but I would overpay him. Like you said, he did not have a "great year (I conisder a great year as: ranked in the top 5 in sacks and tackles among DE's)" but I would go as far in saying that he had a really good year. [B]After all, Johnson did account for about 37% of the Panthers sacks.[/B]

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