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#1 the212

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:01 AM

http://the212daily.c...thers-punished/

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#2 Lemur Lathon

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 04:06 AM

Good article, always good to look at the team through a non Homers eyes

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 05:24 AM

So, basically... don't worry so much about the offense except for Otah. Defensive line and CB are below par and will continue to hold this team back throughout the season.

QB is a huge question mark!

Well...the article is very infomative and well written. And certainly not a "homer" piece. But MAN! I was hoping we'd be better than this. 16% 3rd down efficiency??? 1 pressure for a defense that blitzes a good deal???

I thought we could win 7. We look like a 4 win team, with or without Newton.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 05:48 AM

If Otah can't play this year, cut or trade his ass. I'm tired of him always being hurt. We have to get our OL settled and that will never happen with Otah constantly on the bench.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 11:31 AM

We have some big holes in this team but that is to be expected from one of the worst teams to ever take the field last year. Next year we def will be on the look out for OL,DL, and CB. A lot of work ahead for this team thats for sure.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 12:29 PM

great write up as always

#7 jtm

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 12:58 PM

Good read as usual.

#8 the212

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 01:29 PM

http://the212daily.c...n-should-start/

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#9 HPPantherzfan

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:02 PM

http://the212daily.c...n-should-start/

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While I like to read your blogs I thought I would play devils advocate to this article for the fun of it and to also point out some things, that in my mind, you are over looking.

1) The superior athlete: How can any of us know this yet? We watched him in college and he looked OK but as we saw this past week his superior athletic ability still netted no first downs using his legs...he was also tackled pretty easily by much smaller corner backs on his runs. Superior athlete? Maybe, but it's way to early to tell that IMO.

Just to throw stats and video like you did...here ya go

40 times:

Jimmy - 4.76
Cam - 4.59

Not that much of a difference



Jimmy can must certainly keep drives alive same as Newton. Also, Jimmy doesn't have the "zip" that Cam does, but to say he has none at all is a little...

2. “The Roethlisberger Factor”: See video above.

3. Velocity: As stated above Cam has move velocity but I think I would rather have a lower velocity and not dig worm holes. Velocity means nothing at all when you can't hit the broad side of a barn 3/5 passes.

4. Confidence: I don't know about this one but I do think that with everything going on around Jimmy with the fans, media, players etc...he has handled it like a pro...to me that screams confidence and he welcomes the challenge

5. No need to delay the inevitable: While this may be true from 2008 - 2010; if you dig a little deeper you will find that there are SEVERAL number 1 picks that yet to become anything in the league and spent most, not all, of their time backing someone up until eventually exiting the league.

Again, nice write up, look forward to reading future blogs.

#10 mav1234

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:04 PM

there is a WORLD of differnece between 4.76 and 4.6.

Jimmy is by no means a statue, but Cam is more athletic. You can't deny that. However, the article does use durability for some reason which makes no sense but whatever.

I think better examples for both "the roethelisberger factor" and "athleticism" would be the two times during the Giants game where Cam made the first rusher miss (granted he got sacked by the 2nd, but...), and the times in the game on Friday where he would break the pocket and run. He would have had a couple first downs if our running game was at all decent on those drives... of course, who knows if he coulda run if it hadn't been 3rd and long but whatever.

#11 HPPantherzfan

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:11 PM

there is a WORLD of differnece between 4.76 and 4.6.

Jimmy is by no means a statue, but Cam is more athletic. You can't deny that. However, the article does use durability for some reason which makes no sense but whatever.

I think better examples for both "the roethelisberger factor" and "athleticism" would be the two times during the Giants game where Cam made the first rusher miss (granted he got sacked by the 2nd, but...), and the times in the game on Friday where he would break the pocket and run. He would have had a couple first downs if our running game was at all decent on those drives... of course, who knows if he coulda run if it hadn't been 3rd and long but whatever.



Not saying he isn't a better athlete, just saying that the "superior" in front of it may be a stretch.

#12 mav1234

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:16 PM

I understand what you're saying, but I think we've already seen some better athleticism from Cam in game time - albeit preseason time.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:17 PM

you obviously have misinterpreted (what you call) the "Rothlisberger Factor"..

Cam Newton is as big as some DE's.. at 250lbs, he can shake a defender off 10X easier than Clausen could ever dream of.. we witnessed this during the Giants game when one of the DE's had to ride on Cam's back just to bring him down...

we have also witnessed him consistently make the 1st defender miss, another attribute Jimmy doesn't have..

and yeah, Cam is much quicker and agile than Clausen.. pointing out 40 times and pretending they are similar was funny though, thanks for the laugh. ;)

put all of that together and Clausen isn't even in the same atmosphere.. (as far as this particular topic is concerned)

Edited by bleys, 21 August 2011 - 02:24 PM.


#14 HPPantherzfan

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:29 PM

you obviously have misinterpreted (what you call) the "Rothlisberger Factor"..

Cam Newton is as big as some DE's.. at 250lbs, he can shake a defender off 10X easier than Clausen could ever dream of.. we witnessed this during the Giants game when one of the DE's had to ride on Cam's back just to bring him down...

we have also witnessed him consistently make the 1st defender miss, another attribute Jimmy doesn't have..

and yeah, Cam is much quicker and agile than Clausen.. pointing out 40 times and pretending they are similar was funny though, thanks for the laugh. ;)

put all of that together and Clausen isn't even in the same atmosphere.. (as far as this particular topic is concerned)


You're kidding right?

#15 mav1234

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:46 PM

You're kidding right?


tis true, really. Cam is much stronger than Clausen, and while I don't think he will be able to bowl over people in the NFL like he did in college (Dolphins already proved that), he certainly can use his abilities to occasionally juke rushers etc... something I don't think Clausen can really do.

not that you need to be able to carry defenders on your back to play QB in this league. Brady and Manning tend to go down the second a defender puts a hand on them in most games (probably to avoid injury?)


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