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#16 Fiz

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 10:06 PM

Lol, harder at you for believing Bush was a conservative...

when have i ever called bush a conservative

And, yes, Obama is a lib...

which of his policies would you consider liberal

#17 MyDrunkardNC

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:29 AM

yall quit falsely loling!!!1!1!11!!


lol

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:33 AM

Will Ferrel's Broadway Bush comedy is titled "you're welcome."


Sounds about right.

LOL

#19 Fiz

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:37 AM

Will Ferrel's Broadway Bush comedy is titled "you're welcome."


Sounds about right.

LOL


i actually saw that last time i was up there.

it's not that funny.

#20 Epistaxis

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:58 AM

I think the Democrats are moving more quickly to socialism than the Republicans, but both are on the same path.

Marx believed democracy and the bourgeoisie a necessary precondition for the eventual triumph of socialism and finally communism.
Many people think he was right.

What I think he didn't fathom was the concept of the pendulum swinging BACK to democracy and free markets once HIS utopia crashes and burns. Like a big ol' cycle.

Because he never had a firm grasp of human psychology.

IMO.

#21 stirs

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 01:23 PM

It is never wrong or out of turn for a liberal to say anything. Look around.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 01:30 PM

What I think he didn't fathom was the concept of the pendulum swinging BACK to democracy and free markets once HIS utopia crashes and burns.


when did his utopia do that

also by definition why would a utopia collapse

#23 Epistaxis

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 01:54 PM

Once Stalin got his hands on it.

Yes yes Fiz, we get that theoretically once the proletariat grasps the concept of how much better a society of equals is, that no government, police force, or even military should be necessary.
All the garbage he espouses in the Manifesto.

But human nature led to the fall of, in this case, the USSR.
Government corruption is just a different kind of corruption than the corporate variant.

The communist dream is a joke, can't be achieved as long as human beings want more and crave power/money, and no amount of political indoctrination will EVER remove that.

Ergo, no communist system will last much longer than the evil plutocracy they despise so much that it replaced.

Bang, crunch, bang, crunch.

As to the Utopia collapse, I meant it as a Utopia for the adherents to the political philosophy, not those of us that believe it to be more likely just a different kind of hell. Therefore not a true Utopia, therefore still subject to destruction.

A slightly more miserable human condition than it's political opposite.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 01:57 PM

No one should want a president to fail, especially in critical times for the country's health. Luckily for James, he said that before 9/11, not after.


Actually, I believe he said it on 9/11 ... just before the attacks were reported.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:00 PM

Once Stalin got his hands on it.

Yes yes Fiz, we get that theoretically once the proletariat grasps the concept of how much better a society of equals is, that no government, police force, or even military should be necessary.
All the garbage he espouses in the Manifesto.

But human nature led to the fall of, in this case, the USSR.
Government corruption is just a different kind of corruption than the corporate variant.

The communist dream is a joke, can't be achieved as long as human beings want more and crave power/money, and no amount of political indoctrination will EVER remove that.

Ergo, no communist system will last much longer than the evil plutocracy they despise so much that it replaced.

Bang, crunch, bang, crunch.

As to the Utopia collapse, I meant it as a Utopia for the adherents to the political philosophy, not those of us that believe it to be more likely just a different kind of hell. Therefore not a true Utopia, therefore still subject to destruction.

A slightly more miserable human condition than it's political opposite.

Greed....it's a wonderful thing. It helped get us to the top of the evolutionary ladder and then we're supposed to just turn it off....gimme your sammich, beyotch.

#26 Epistaxis

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:04 PM

Greed....it's a wonderful thing. It helped get us to the top of the evolutionary ladder and then we're supposed to just turn it off....gimme your sammich, beyotch.


As usual, you said it better, shorter, and funnier than I did.


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#27 Fiz

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:06 PM

Once Stalin got his hands on it.

As to the Utopia collapse, I meant it as a Utopia for the adherents to the political philosophy


do you think leninst russia was a pure marxist state cause uh i have news for you

#28 Epistaxis

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:10 PM

Of course not, I'm not an idiot.

But if you think it wasn't considered the template for the closest thing we have HAD thus far to his system in implementation rather than just in theory, then uh i have news for you

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:13 PM

But if you think it wasn't considered the template for the closest thing we have HAD thus far to his system in implementation rather than just in theory, then uh i have news for you


that'd actually probably be calvinist geneva

#30 Epistaxis

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:17 PM

Don't you think that burg was a bit to Bible-y to be classified amongst the marxists?


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