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Does everyone have to be emotional retards when it comes to Fox? Are you too daft that the only impression you have of him is the last few negative emotions? Lets be reasonable. Fox did some really good things here. Hell, I'd call some great. It got stale and didn't work anymore. He moved on and so did we.

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Yes...Fox not giving us fans info (in depth) about things going on in the organization, and giving us "it is what it is" or "we will take it day by day" honestly made me not like him.

Fox and Rivera are night and day IMO. Unlike Fox, Riveras conferences are FILLED with info.

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Does everyone have to be emotional retards when it comes to Fox? Are you too daft that the only impression you have of him is the last few negative emotions? Lets be reasonable. Fox did some really good things here. Hell, I'd call some great. It got stale and didn't work anymore. He moved on and so did we.

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Honestly, yeah he did do good things here. He put our name on the map for a while but his last year here he really burned a lot of bridges. Him checking out and cashed in last would be like an employee who you just wrote up because of performance decides to put their two weeks in and decides to just go through the motions. Would you give that employee a reference? I wouldntband that's how most panther fans feel. Those last two weeks as an employee can make you forget real quick on the good things you do.

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Honestly, yeah he did do good things here. He put our name on the map for a while but his last year here he really burned a lot of bridges. Him checking out and cashed in last would be like an employee who you just wrote up because of performance decides to put their two weeks in and decides to just go through the motions. Would you give that employee a reference? I wouldntband that's how most panther fans feel. Those last two weeks as an employee can make you forget real quick on the good things you do.

Ownership didn't pick up 1 FA last year and cut everyone over 30 making money besides Smith. It went both ways.

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Ownership didn't pick up 1 FA last year and cut everyone over 30 making money besides Smith. It went both ways.

True, but do you really think Fox would have really started or wanted to big up a "big" name free agent last year. I can't remember a player that I could see fit last year outside of picking up a WR that would fit fox ball. Hell I don't even know outside of Rasario who the broncos picked up in FA this year.

Owners have to sometimes trim the fat to see what works and what doesn't. If you get laid off at BoA and you blame them for not supporting you and you go to wachovia, you think any cares if they helped or not? They are still running and are doing ok without you. (could be a bad reference but oh well people can get the point).

I'm not saying that the hate on here is always deserved for Fox, but I can see where the bitterness can come from.

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Does everyone have to be emotional retards when it comes to Fox? Are you too daft that the only impression you have of him is the last few negative emotions? Lets be reasonable. Fox did some really good things here. Hell, I'd call some great. It got stale and didn't work anymore. He moved on and so did we.

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I'm sorry you don't get it Cat... but Fox's body of work he left here was, in the long term, a wash.

He exited with almost exactly the same number of wins as losses. By the end he was predictable as a coach, his fundamentals were out-coachable, he was stubborn about players that sucked, he was less than forthcoming with the media and the fanbase, he was at times arrogant (it is what it is), and a general lack of discipline infected our team from about his 4th year on.

After watching this for 9 years, I was ready to part ways with him amicably and "go our separate ways", but then he talked to the media on the way out the door.

http://www.digtriad.com/news/article/153595/249/John-Fox-Said-He-Knew-End-Was-Coming-For-Two-Years

John Fox has completed his last full practice with Carolina, saying he's been preparing for the end of his run coaching the Panthers for about two years.

There was a light atmosphere full of smiles and jokes as Fox guided the Panthers in their last workout in Charlotte on Friday. The team will hold a walkthrough Saturday in Atlanta before closing the season a day later against the Falcons.

Fox was first denied a contract extension after the 2008 season. He entered the last year of his contract with the Panthers beginning a youth movement that's left them an NFL-worst 2-13 in 2010.

Fox is 78-73 in nine seasons in Carolina, which includes the franchise's only Super Bowl appearance in the 2003 season

Now... what this says to me, is that Fox didn't get a big extension payout and essentially gave up on this organization, the team, and the fanbase.

Was Jerry Richardson responsible for part of this? Sure. And he's actually come forward and admitted it for the most part, and directly apologized to us as fans. That's really, really big for an owner of an NFL team to do.

But it's like a bad relationship at this point. Yeah, sure, there were some fun times... but the end was bad enough, you don't remember the good anymore. You just remember the bad.

And we want some validation that the way we saw Fox mishandle our team, was Fox, and NOT ownership or the FO.

We just got it watching that Oak@Den game.

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The Broncos have 4 people scheduled for MRIs - Lloyd, Moreno, Bailey, and Dumervil. As if it weren't bad enough.

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The Broncos have 4 people scheduled for MRIs - Lloyd, Moreno, Bailey, and Dumervil. As if it weren't bad enough.

After reading some of the posts on that Broncos board, and seeing that they are clones of threads on this forum in the past two years... I'm actually starting to change how I feel about Broncos fans...

I'm actually starting to feel some sympathy for them.

Poor guys. They went from a hot-headed idiot, to, well... Fox. That's rough.

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at least the hot headed idiot was hilarious to watch. that guy and his offenses were fuging insane - and not always in a good way, but hey...

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at least the hot headed idiot was hilarious to watch. that guy and his offenses were fuging insane - and not always in a good way, but hey...

Yep. Perfect summary of him.

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I still remember the game where he beat the Patriots. You'd think he won the Superbowl. It's pretty amazing, that moment was essentially the height of his head coaching career.

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Yea!!! Let's talk poo about the coach who got us to the SB and the playoffs multiple times!!! That's the spirit.

Fug Jimmy Clausen too.

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