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#166 mav1234

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 08:54 PM

what's that matter? don't think anybody is saying "Man look at Cam's junior college stats he's gonna be AWESOME!" You're saying "The Golden Calf of Bristol can pass, honest, look at what he did in college" and I don't care. I want to see him do it in the NFL, because all we've seen has been... quite bad. Now, he's getting wins, and I hope he can sustain it, I just don't know if he can.

Cam's not running like The Golden Calf of Bristol is because our offense is meant to be pass-first at it's very core. It is completely different than anything Fox has tried to do with Orton or with The Golden Calf of Bristol. Yet when Cam DOES run, he is explosive and game changing.

Whether Cam and this offense are fools gold or not, it is far too early to tell in Cam's career. He has certainly looked good for a rookie, but obviously rookie stats aren't the only thing that matters...

The point is saying "Cam is a dink and dunker because of his time in college" is silly. He's playing in a vertical offense now and completing passes all over the field. This great supporting cast he has now was in large part in tact last year and was absolutely miserable. Yes, the tight ends were huge pick ups, but he has gotten his players to believe in him, which is huge and something his predecessor failed to do.

edit: FWIW Decleater, I do think that Elway tried to sabotage the season by trading Lloyd and starting The Golden Calf of Bristol, but he's played fine. At the same time, I don't know if I actually blame Fox for The Golden Calf of Bristol's ineptitude at times. I dunno how accurate it is but you could check this article out for a bit on that: http://www.nationalf...king-about.html

Edited by mav1234, 19 November 2011 - 09:12 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2011 - 08:57 PM

Another alt. Why?


That's not me man. You guys are "so observant" you can't tell the difference between two posters. In case you haven't notice that poor guy sounds more like me when I first game here. He has a lot more patience and is "trying" to be logical and is still under the impression he's going to be able to convince you guys by using good, common sense, and logic. It's what I tried to do at first before the personal attacks started on a daily basis every time I tried saying something that made sense but went against the grain or the majority "perception".

Cause that's all it fuging is. A false perception. And he hasn't figured out yet it's fuging impossible to punch through that. Cursing and being a dick seems to get you a better response around here.

Edited by TrueDat, 19 November 2011 - 09:01 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2011 - 08:58 PM

Pretty comical considering Cam came from JUNIOR college.. lol


You think Auburn is a JC?...

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:00 PM

When Cam came out of Auburn they had 3 players drafted by the NFL(not including Cam). 2 in the 7th round.
When The Golden Calf of Bristol came out Florida had 7 players drafted by the NFL (not including The Golden Calf of Bristol)

Explain how Cam was carried again?

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:03 PM

That's not me man. You guys are "so observant" you can't tell the difference between two posters.


I was referring to your getting banned & rushing back with a new ident.
Why do that.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:06 PM

I was referring to your getting banned & rushing back with a new ident.
Why do that.


The same reason you can't figure out why we lose. You don't see the bigger picture in the first place. I wouldn't have to make a new alt if I didn't get banned every 30 minutes for no reason.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:06 PM

That's not me man. You guys are "so observant" you can't tell the difference between two posters. In case you haven't notice that poor guy sounds more like me when I first game here. He has a lot more patience and is "trying" to be logical and is still under the impression he's going to be able to convince you guys by using good, common sense, and logic. It's what I tried to do at first before the personal attacks started on a daily basis every time I tried saying something that made sense but went against the grain or the majority "perception".

Cause that's all it fuging is. A false perception. And he hasn't figured out yet it's fuging impossible to punch through that. Cursing and being a dick seems to get you a better response around here.

But neither you or "he" make sense.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:06 PM

I can guarantee you the dude can see what's going on better than 90% of you here. He's watching and understand how the game works. You don't. And you have a problem with people that actually do get it.


LOL... I've played, ref'd and coached more football then you or "he" have watched.

Edited by CatMan72, 19 November 2011 - 09:09 PM.


#174 mav1234

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:07 PM

So let me get this right. You understand that part...by your own admission that the QB is the most important position.

But you don't understand why when the most important position looks like this:


Why do you still post here? Just curious. You get annoyed at us, get yourself banned over and over, and say the same thing over and over again and get the same response.

I wish we had won 6 of 7 games...

What you fail to get is this:
1) Cam is a rookie
2) The defense and special teams are giving up leads late in games and we typically have awful field position
3) Cam isn't expected to save this franchise, yet in order for us to win games he needs to play flawless due to other deficiencies on the team. This is a tall order to ask any QB to do, let alone one being asked to throw the ball 30+ times a game because the coaching staff wants to break him in.

What you don't understand about Cam, apparently:
1) Has the third most total yards of any quarterback
2) Has the 5th most total touchdowns of any quarterback
3) IS A ROOKIE
4) Has fewer interceptions than Rivers, Freeman, Fitzpatrick, Brees, and Vick, and has as many as Brady and Ryan, all of whom are considered good-to-elite quarterbacks in this league.
5) Is actually top 10 in first downs by a quarterback (including his rushing of course)

I don't think Cam is perfect, but I think he's surprised me... He is playing well enough that we should be in position to win, but we're not. That's because of huge problems at other positions. Has he had the chance to win us the game and not done so? Sure, but there have been many other players on our team who have had that chance and not done so either. So it's hard to be upset with him given the above, and the fact he's a rookie.

Edited by mav1234, 19 November 2011 - 09:11 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:12 PM

The same reason you can't figure out why we lose.
You don't see the bigger picture in the first place. I wouldn't have to make a new alt if I didn't get banned every 30 minutes for no reason.


You keep coming back because you don't see the bigger picture?

#176 Dick the Butcher

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:19 PM

football is a team game. fox left this franchise in complete shambles. hurney should be fired for letting him do it.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:43 PM

Why do you still post here? Just curious.

I wish we had won 6 of 7 games...

What you fail to get is this:
1) Cam is a rookie

2) The defense and special teams are giving up leads late in games and we typically have awful field position
3) Cam isn't expected to save this franchise, yet in order for us to win games he needs to play flawless due to other deficiencies on the team. This is a tall order to ask any QB to do, let alone one being asked to throw the ball 30+ times a game because the coaching staff wants to break him in.

What you don't understand about Cam, apparently:
1) Has the third most total yards of any quarterback
2) Has the 5th most total touchdowns of any quarterback
3) IS A ROOKIE
4) Has fewer interceptions than Rivers, Freeman, Fitzpatrick, Brees, and Vick, and has as many as Brady and Ryan, all of whom are considered good-to-elite quarterbacks in this league.
5) Is actually top 10 in first downs by a quarterback (including his rushing of course)

I don't think Cam is perfect, but I think he's surprised me... He is playing well enough that we should be in position to win, but we're not. That's because of huge problems at other positions. Has he had the chance to win us the game and not done so? Sure, but there have been many other players on our team who have had that chance and not done so either. So it's hard to be upset with him given the above, and the fact he's a rookie.


First. I post here cause it's fun to see you guys call people stupid, trolls and tell them they don't know why they are talking about only for it to turn out the complete opposite

Second I understand all of that. I am well aware of the fact he's a rookie and most teams with rookie QB's lose because of that reason. You don't.

I just have a realistic way of looking at who is primarily responsible for putting away tied games or close games in the 4th quarter.

-I also know who is primarily responsible for making our offense efficient.
-I know you can't win with a rookie QB and an inefficient offense.
-I know an efficient offense = a good defense. Our offense is 25th in the league.
-I know my quarterback is one of the worst in interceptions which is why we are down in the first place in most games, and my defense somehow manages to freaking stop the other team enough in order for us to be in close 4th quarter games
- I also know in that situation it's your offenses job to put the ball game away.
-And I know this defense gave this offense 14 fuging possessions in the 4th quarter to put the game away and this offense and QB only did it once.

1. I watched them blow it with my own two eyes in the red-zone in 3 of those games right at the end. Arizona, Vikings, and Green Bay(and he did a lot more than just coming up short at the end against GB - 3 picks)

2.Against the Saints:
- watched him start off the game with a pick against the Saints which put us down. It's HIS fault we were down in the game. That's not on the defense. that's HIM!

-the coach gave them 3 free points before half time. That's not the defense.

-and after our defense did a good enough job to allow the offense to catch up he once again made a bad pass, out of bounds on 3rd and 2 giving the Saints, one of the best offenses in the league a chance to put the game away. Once again that's on him.

- I watched him mis-manage the clock on the next possession. I watched him choke even though he had like 30 opportunities to get a score. I watched him make bad passes behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd and long.


3. Against the Falcons:
- he thew a pick instead of a touchdown in the endzone in the first half.
-the defense held to allow them to catch up in the 3rd. they didn't allow a score. They did nothing for the last 20 some minutes in that game.
-then he threw a damn pick to start off the 4th quarter in practically our own endzone. That's HIS fault.


Against the Bears:
- we were up 3-0 in the first quarter. He threw a pick six to put us down to start off the game. That's HIS fault. Defense wasn't even on the damn field.

-after the score being within 1 point for like ever in the second half, our defense got this offense a pick in the Bears red-zone in the 4th fuging quarter:

This is in the 4th quarter!
1st and 10 at CHI 20 M.Forte right guard to CHI 20 for no gain (O.Gaither).
2nd and 10 at CHI 20 J.Cutler pass deep middle intended for J.Knox INTERCEPTED by C.Godfrey at CHI 38. C.Godfrey to CHI 29 for 9 yards (J.Knox).


How much easier can it get? What did Cam Newton and this offense do when my defense gave them that kind of a gift? Let's see:

First. They blew their chance.
1st and 10 at CHI 29 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep left to S.Smith.
2nd and 10 at CHI 29 (Shotgun) Direct snap to D.Williams. D.Williams right guard to CHI 21 for 8 yards (A.Okoye). PENALTY on CAR-T.Wharton, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 29 - No Play.
2nd and 15 at CHI 34 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short right to G.Olsen.
3rd and 15 at CHI 34 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep left to J.Shockey.
4th and 15 at CHI 34 O.Mare 52 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-J.Jansen, Holder-J.Baker.


And the score was still within 4 points! Then came this:

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) D.Williams left guard to CAR 22 for 2 yards (A.Adams).
2nd and 8 at CAR 22 C.Newton pass incomplete short right to J.Shockey.
3rd and 8 at CAR 22 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to L.Naanee to CAR 25 for 3 yards (L.Briggs).
4th and 5 at CAR 25 J.Baker punts 35 yards to CHI 40, Center-J.Jansen, downed by CAR
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Still within 4 points! My defense held once again. Then came this:

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to G.Olsen.
2nd and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass deep right to G.Olsen to CAR 43 for 23 yards (M.Wright).
1st and 10 at CAR 43 (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep left to L.Naanee (T.Jennings).
2nd and 10 at CAR 43 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short right to J.Stewart to CAR 41 for -2 yards (L.Briggs; A.Okoye).
3rd and 12 at CAR 41 (Shotgun) C.Newton left end pushed ob at CAR 43 for 2 yards (J.Peppers). CHI-C.Tillman was injured during the play.
4th and 10 at CAR 43 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to L.Naanee.



Finally, after this the defense gave in. So the defense gave them an interception at the 20 yard line, they did nothing with it. Kept the Bears to 3 on the next possession to keep the score within 4 points. Kept the score steady for 2 more fuging possessions for them to do something. All in a game where Cam Newton put this team down 3-10 to start off with a pic 6?

And you think it's the defense? That's why all of you are retarded. That's who lost those games. It was all that above and it was all mainly on him! But you guys IGNORE all that stuff. Believe it or not, when you play like that, it means you are a BAD quarterback, not a good one, in the NFL.

Edited by TrueDat, 19 November 2011 - 09:59 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:50 PM

I can guarantee you the dude can see what's going on better than 90% of you here. He's watching and understand how the game works. You don't. And you have a problem with people that actually do get it.

You can guarantee it because it is one of your alts.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:52 PM

First. I post here cause it's fun to see you guys call people stupid, trolls and tell them they don't know why they are talking about only for it to turn out the complete opposite


Since that hasn't happened I think the question remains. Why do you post here??

As for the rest of that diatribe... who is responsible for quarters 1-3??

Our offense might be able to "close" games better if they just had to run the clock out and then take a knee.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:56 PM

Jake Delhomme helped us go 1-7 in 2004 losing several close games and in 2007 9 of his 11 INTs came in the 4th quarter. 7 of those I believe came on the last drive.

Was he clutch??


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