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#31 natty

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:40 PM

I want Obama...and his Obamabot minions here to explain to me how someone "earns" a tax cut when they don't pay taxes?


An actual decent discussion in this forum and you troll it will unrelated Obama hate. gtfo

#32 Matt Foley

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:42 PM

No doubt. One of the winners I saw had all this baby formula (among ridiculously expensive things I have never bought like organic tomatoes) then used a separate transaction to buy their cigs and beer. Shouldn't luxuries like those go bye bye when you have a baby to feed & clothe? Apparently not, because you don't have to pay for the formula yourself. And those types would probably ignore the kid's need's for their own anyway, which is the saddest part.
Once I was behind a couple of middle aged ladies with food stamps and I actually walked into the parking lot behind them because I was curious to see what they were driving. It was a late model Caddy. I had nothing in common with them. I was making 15 k/yr, had an old used car and paid my own rent at my apt. Oh, and I didn't buy any steaks either. Just because someone is considered "poor" doesn't mean they deserve breaks. If you take into account that I paid my own way for everything and made 15k, I was likely more poor than they were.


The left doesn't realize how many people are in the situation you were in, Fireball. They have no clue. At one time in the mid 90s I was working four part time jobs to make ends meet. And I'd encounter people like the ones you describe and wonder just how the hell they got away with it.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:43 PM

Understanding what liberals deem as FAIR taxation comes from their understanding of how someone EARNS a tax cut...even if they do/do not actually pay taxes.

#34 Matt Foley

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:46 PM

Understanding what liberals deem as FAIR taxation comes from their understanding of how someone EARNS a tax cut...even if they do/do not actually pay taxes.


Or, conversely, how the rich are "given" tax cuts....the excess money that you were taking away from them to begin with to finance your bullshit ineffective giveaway programs.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:55 PM

Or wars, i take it?

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 02:14 PM

Yay! A thread discussing an issue degenerates into partisan bashing! When you can't argue a point just call someone a liberal and be over with it!

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 02:16 PM

I think we should tax the poor at a higher rate because they use public services more.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 02:23 PM

I think we should tax the poor at a higher rate because they use public services more.

there is a lot more to this argument than just "poor get the services."

i can't find the paper right now, but the three main things I can remember in this country specifically

- Tax breaks for corporations/cuts in business taxes directly effect the poorest parts of a society/city. For example, Atlanta is one of the most "business friendly" cities in the country. Almost all of the taxes came from property, which of course isn't a good way to run things but when it was going well it has the veneer of going well. Now, there are no more than 40 cops on duty at all time inside the perimeter (terrifying), they've begun closing fire stations in poorer parts of town, and MARTA doesn't even run on fridays anymore

- Airport construction can almost never be done without government subsidy, and the airline industry as a hole can't operate successfully without extensive government assistance. these dollars specifically don't go into things like a more egalitarian rail system, or social programs, and air travel almost certainly doesn't help the poor in any way shape or form.

- war almost exclusively benefits the wealthy, and I don't think that needs to be explained.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 02:31 PM

Yeah but maybe, and this is kinda a long shot but man if it worked, if we taxed the poor to the point that they couldn't afford to live here they would go to Canada and Mexico and we wouldn't have to worry about them anymore.

Think how awesome it would be if we could cancel the whole social safety net because we ran off those who relied on it. One that happened they could cut everyone else's taxes back to a reasonable rate.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 02:31 PM

- war almost exclusively benefits the wealthy, and I don't think that needs to be explained.


Which is why I don't have a problem with government spending lots of money on the military (although the waste is bullshit). The people who want that extra plane or submarine are, in fact, paying for it.