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"got him to back off"

lmao

"sized up a 7 foot dumbass"

lmao

the boy wonder was the recipient of a bad switch and once it registered he jumped back and heaved a prayer. And that 7 foot dumbass is a two time academic All-American ma'am.

You stupid dooker. you probably had already turned the channel anyway like the rest of your sorry ass fan base. You losers couldn't even sell out your own student section, all 50 seats of it, until dook heaved up that prayer. You crack me up little girl. You and "SUB-ZERO" your hero.

lmao

The refs were fine. The game was better than it should have been.

Dook won and their season is valid now. Congrats to them and their short man's mentality fans.

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Short mans mentality? Theyve had more sucess then unc the last 25 years boy. Burns you up that things arent the way they used to be doesnt it?

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more success the last 25 years? ...I read an article a while back, hang on I'll go find it.

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One more final four one more championship. No article needed.

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Get Behind Me Satan, Part 1–UNC vs. Duke

But the argument is muddied by the fact that for dookies, the terms program and coach are synonymous. As a result, introducing pre-Krzyzewski stats into the argument is simply not allowed by Duke fans. And for good reason. From 1920-1980, the Heels dominated Duke in regular season championships (21-10), conference championships (16-11), and head-to head record (93-65). Not to mention Carolina’s 1 national championship (2 if you count 1924) to Duke’s zero. In fact, for the historically-inclined, on a decade-by-decade basis, only the 2000s reflect a sizeable Duke advantage in the head-to-head win column (14-9), and only for the first half of the decade at that. (For those interested in the complete statistical comparison between the programs, see the first table below.)

Invariably, this mis-identification turns any Tobacco Road debate into a jumble of Duke-vs.-UNC and Krzyzewski-vs.-Dean arguments, so that when we ask, Who’s better, Duke or Carolina? we’re really asking two different questions: Which school has the better program? and Which school has the better coach? We’ll save the equally obvious answer to the latter question for a later date, and satisfy ourselves here with the former.

Although I’ve never fully understood why a discussion and comparison of two basketball programs’ successes shouldn’t include the entirety of that success, for the sake of debate we’ll start in 1980–the year Britain gave us the Eurythmics, the year Mel Gibson gave us Mad Max, and the year Durham gave us Coach K.

K’s tenure is divided into two sections: the Dean Smith era (1980-1997), and the post-Smith era (1997-present). A more detailed comparison of K and Dean is reserved for another post, but for now, it’s enough to say that the Smith era witnessed a continuation of the dominance displayed from 1920 to 1980. During these 17 seasons, Carolina posted more conference championships (6-3) and more regular season championships (8-5) than Duke, and maintained its supremacy in head-to-head competition (26-14, though K is responsible for only 24 of those losses). Both schools won two national championships.

It is only concerning the post-Smith era that Duke voices begin to crow over who rules the roost, or that those voices begin to attain a modicum of validity. Aside from a good run in the ’60s, 1999-2004 is the only extended period Duke can claim any clear dominance over the rivalry–a direct result of Carolina losing one of the best coaches in the history of the game. Primacy is often given to the most recent results, and Duke’s performance over the past decade certainly accounts for much of the noise coming out of Krzyzewskiville on this topic in recent years.

But if your recency bias ascribes primary importance to what’s happened lately–Who cares what happened 50 or 80 years ago? Duke is the best college basketball team in the current era!–then consider the last six seasons. From 2005 to the present, Carolina owns the regular season title battle (4-2), the national title battle (2-1), and head-to-head record (7-5). Duke maintains control of conference championships (4-2).

In fact, during the modern era (i.e. the last 30 years, i.e. the Krzyzewski era), the only major categories in which Duke enjoys an advantage over the Heels are NCAA Finals appearances, conference tournament championships, weeks in the top 10, weeks at No. 1, and seasons with a final ranking of 1, all by relatively slim margins. The Tar Heels equal or better the Devils in every other major category from Elite Eight appearances to regular season titles, from NCAA tournament wins to head-to-head record. (See the second table below for a full statistical illustration of how UNC has outmatched Duke throughout the Coach K era.) And this includes the post-Dean downtime.

Which brings up a point that can never be expressed in numbers. The North Carolina basketball program has maintained its edge despite suffering the aftershocks and repercussions of perhaps the greatest trauma that any program can undergo–the loss of the coach that had come to define it. The ability of Carolina basketball to weather Dean Smith’s retirement (the Heels still managed 2 Final Four runs, 4 20-win seasons, 1 regular season championship, and 1 ACC championship in the four years following Dean’s departure), suffer a brief but expected dip in performance and recruiting, then sign a soon-to-be Hall of Fame coach and return to national prominence by 2005 has cemented them as one of the best programs in the history of college basketball.

It is a test in resilience that Duke has yet to face. The nearest setback Duke has experienced to losing their coach for eternity is losing their coach for a season–or most of it anyway–when he was sidelined by back surgery in ’95, and we were given a glaring glimpse of what Duke without K is like. After playing for the national championship the previous year, Duke began the ’94-’95 season 9-3 (0-1) before losing K. They finished the season 4-15 (2-13), last in the conference and below .500 for the first time since K’s third year (I know y’all lost Grant Hill, but that’s a hell of a single-season turnaround–even Matt Doherty and Ed Davis are impressed).

Granted, K’s exit was an unexpected and unprepared-for hit, but it highlights the fact that Duke basketball remains unproven as to whether their program is more than just a coach. Duke fans can’t get through a UNC-Duke debate without gushing over “the genius of Coach K.” He is their default position in much the same way that Heels fans get criticized for falling back on Michael Jordan. But at least Jordan was a player, and if there is one thing Dean Smith would say about basketball programs, it’s that they’re defined not by one man, but by all the players who have chosen to be a part of that program.

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One more final four one more championship. No article needed.

introducing pre-Krzyzewski stats into the argument is simply not allowed by Duke fans. ;)

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Its allowed unc was much better then. There is no arguing that. Duke has been better the last 25 years and has a better overall win % the last 11 years. Couldnt find win % the last 25 but ill put money duke's is better.

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Its allowed unc was much better then. There is no arguing that. Duke has been better the last 25 years and has a better overall win % the last 11 years. Couldnt find win % the last 25 but ill put money duke's is better.

Why not the last 30 years? :rolleyes:

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Last 30 would be even. I say 25 bc thats a timetable i can say duke pulled ahead. You can go 20 10 5 duke still better.

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what?

more success?

Is this Myron Piggie type success or national champ JJ Reddick type success? Oh wait.

Are we talking coach kay, master of working the refs and owner of the filthiest mouth in the league who broke his ******* hip teaching Shar Pei battier the art of the flop and then put the losses of his team on Gaudet when him back got achey, when him hurt.

Oh, yo must be on the Natty's and the ACC titles. Not one of those teams ever had any class. Stomping people, Punching people (henderthug) fainting goat flops without being touched. When a person pulls for dook it tells me a lot about that person, chiefly that there is a strong chance that they are a piece of sh|t themselves with suspect honor and a real lack in moral quality.

dook is a ******* joke and the one thing that validates that FACT to me over and over again is the hordes of fat chics and douchebags that have never even been to Durham much less attended dook University who relentlessly and shamelessly pull for the devils with their cheer sheets and their speedos. All for the hope that they can beat UNC. Their reason for existence. dook is a gimmick, a novelty, the necessary evil in the the world of North Carolina that is constantly trying to validate itself AT ALL COSTS.

Winning means more to you because it has to. Without it, you have nothing but a long line of scratching, slapping, flopping, flailing, floor slapping, crybaby fvcksticks dating all the way back to Art Heyman up to today with that Sambo-faced nobody Thornton who got decked yesterday because he runs his gotdamn mouth too much. Yeah, that POS deserved it. I felt bad for laughing at those tweety birds circling his head... almost.

Trinity college started off as a wannabe Ivey from the very beginning and after being snubbed by Princeton, practically laughed out of town, decided their only opportunity was to copy everything from the architecture to the snooty attitude and whatever else it could manage to hijack and after all this soul-selling and spineless "advancement" has been sucking hind *** ever since.

dook is just like 7Up.. never had it, never will.

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FYI: doing winning % is not that hard...I did it in like 5 minutes.

last 25

duke: 0.811

UNC: 0.75

last 30

duke: 0.84

UNC: 0.88

all-Time Overall (for Duke fans, meaning from the very first game ever played by said school, you know, pre-K)

UNC: 0.73

duke: 0.70

and you also need to remember that 5>4.

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How many of those 5 did you enjoy? I enjoyed all 4 championships Duke has won. You undervalue the win because your team lost. Your % proved my point. Better the last 25 years. Thats a long ass time.

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