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#1 Peppermint9030


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:00 PM

I know work ethic is a huge problem... I know Peppers took off plays, and I've even heard comparisons of work ethic to Randy Moss...But I'll take the hall of Fame numbers they have produced and pure dominance at their respectful positions over a guy that tries really hard and isn't as physically gifted as coples...

At 6'6 and 285 pounds running a 4.6 forty as his low it's almost disturbing how freakish that is...All of 2010 this guy played inside and was dominant. This is the exact size we need on the outside as well as even inside to help in the run defense. A lot of scouting reports I've read say he doesn't have the quickness for a 4-3 defensive end. A 4.6 forty IS quick enough for a 4-3 DE, but imagine if Carolina got this guy to lose 10-20 pounds in the offseason, were talking 265, 6'6 and most likely a 4.5 forty. If he came into the combine at those measurables hes a top 5 pick guarenteed.

Here's the best part about all of this, Julius Peppers weighed in at 283 pounds, he stood at 6 foot 6 and ran a 4.74 at the combine...coples measurable's stack up higher then Pepper's...As a defense getting a healthy Beason, and Thomas Davis back how can you not be frothing at the mouth for Coples. He had 8.5 sacks in 2010 playing inside! The guy had one down year! You can put him inside or out, and other personel will allow us to experiment with him. We can put him inside and have Hardy and Johnson off the edge, or slide him outside and have him and Johnson off the edge.

I know your going to jump down my throat when I say this, but alot of our poor run defense was also due to our end's. I love charles Johnson, but he is a smaller frame and sometimes gets blow out of the play versus the run, Hardy's got great size but to me isn't a starting DE he was taken late for a reason. Does that mean he can't rotate in? No, hes a perfect rotation end, but we are missing the dominating end that Peppers was. Not only do I feel coples measures up to Pepper's physically I feel he will play like a Jason pierre Paul and explode onto the scene.



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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:07 PM

He has the freakish size...but I want better..is This Bobcat scouting?.

..lemmie guess Zach Brown in the second.

Seriously in support I wouldnt be mad but feel just as suspect about him as I do Poe. Both could be real good or useless.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:08 PM

i would not complain.

#4 Peppermint9030


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:11 PM

His tape shows more then poe...There's a reason Poe jumped in to the top 8 and is now being droped into the late teens on a lot of boards...Poe is 10x more of a risk imo.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:24 PM

I've been on the bandwagon.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:28 PM

I think we may grab Coples. As much as people harp on how bad our DT's played, at the end of the day they were two of Rivera's very first draft picks, and I doubt he gives up on them so quickly. DT isn't the instant NCAA-NFL transition that people think it is. I really, really believe that Rivera will give McClain and Fua a minimum of another season or two to succeed before cutting ties and drafting replacements.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:28 PM

anyone that would fug up their arms for a fraternity isnt right in the head.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:30 PM

I wouldn't be mad if he was the pick just worried. I rather have Cox who has about the same skill sets but plays DT.

#9 Donald LaFell

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:33 PM

I think we need DEs more than DTs so coples would be dandy.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:35 PM

Coples shows the kind of strength and speed on tape that should qualify him to go in the top 10 of this draft. When Coples wanted to get to the QB, teams were forced to double team him. When he didn't give a care, it was like he wasn't even on the field. So is he going to be Superman throwing people around, or Clark Kent fixing his glasses? Who the hell knows, and that's why he's risky.

Poe doesn't show much of anything on tape, but he has elite straight line speed for a man of his size, quick feet, and his ability in the weight room suggests he has elite strength in certain areas, but turn on the tape and you'll see that terrible o-linemen have had their way with him. By tape I mean crappy youtube videos.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:37 PM

I'd have to be convinced that Coples loves football and not just the money.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:53 PM

If anyone will motivate a player on not put up with bullshit, its Rivera. Draft Coples.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:17 PM

I think Coples would be a solid defender. I just look at the Giants success and hope for the same.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:27 PM

Would love to use him inside 70% of the time if we drafted him.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:38 PM

I've read repeatedly this guy is not in Peppers class. I keep seeing people compare him to a top3 pick. They feel like he's a steal at 9 that slipped because of motor. That's not the case. He is not a complete DE.

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