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Which 'biblical Marriage' Are Amendment One Supporters Talking About?


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:23 PM

to be fair, theologically speaking the old testament law has been replaced by new testament covenant, so it's really only fair to ascribe NT beliefs to supporters of the amendment


I hate this argument. If the OT is invalid, why even subscribe to the entire bible? Why have the OT IN the bible? If OT law is invalid, why is it EVERY Christian references the 632 commandments (although, they typically think there are only 10)? If we're saying the OT is no long valid as a reference for moral guidance, then let's just toss it out. But no, we can't, because that takes away the creation story and the fall, both of which the religion hinges on. So, instead, let's pick and choose which parts of the bible we don't like. Jesus NEVER said the OT law is invalid. He actually endorsed it. Paul, a man who CLAIMED to have a vision of Jesus, said the OT law is no more and by "faith we are saved". Not Jesus.


So, you see, most Christians aren't Christians. They're Paul-inians.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:31 PM

I hate this argument. If the OT is invalid, why even subscribe to the entire bible? Why have the OT IN the bible? If OT law is invalid, why is it EVERY Christian references the 632 commandments (although, they typically think there are only 10)? If we're saying the OT is no long valid as a reference for moral guidance, then let's just toss it out. But no, we can't, because that takes away the creation story and the fall, both of which the religion hinges on.


There's some honesty. Here's some more. Any religion based on stories in a book has humanity as its source.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:32 PM

Gotta stop the spread of the Ghey!

Keep them freaks from infectin more people!


And PhillyB is right.

Christ's life and sacrifice abrogated all of the old laws and rules.


Wrong.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:33 PM

There's some honesty. Here's some more. Any religion based on stories in a book has humanity as its source.



Do you care to extrapolate? BTW, I am by NO means defending religion on this whatsoever. Cat and pretty much everybody here knows this.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:35 PM

Do you care to extrapolate? BTW, I am by NO means defending religion on this whatsoever. Cat and pretty much everybody here knows this.


Source of religion = book. Source of book = humanity. Source of religion = humanity.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:43 PM

Source of religion = book. Source of book = humanity. Source of religion = humanity.



Right, I get that. What's the point you're trying to make in relation to my initial comment?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:02 PM

let's not lable an entire group while in the thread are saying that same group is umm, labeling a group.


you would be surprised the # of christians where this is a NON issue. it's the political party base/false religious types that are jumping all over this.


im a christian and don't sweat gay marriage one bit. i look at this simply as an equal right issue. i may totally disagree with the lifestyle etc, but i get them having the same rights as anybody else.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:10 PM

I also know a lot of people like this. The problem is that Big Religion is driving this and too many of the rank and file are not opposing it. This is why religion will continue to have a bad name with many people.

I know a woman who is going through an issue now where she's worked at a church daycare for years with the best track record, and it's come out she is gay, and parents are now trying to get her removed as unfit. Like she's going to teach lessons on how to be a lesbian to 4 year olds. Disgusting.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:48 PM

Agreed with pstall. I'm a Christian and could care less if homosexuals want to get married. Just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean they agree with the thoughts/beliefs that some perceived Christians preach.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:48 AM

Right, I get that. What's the point you're trying to make in relation to my initial comment?


Not every post is a counter-point. My point was simply that while most Christians claim their religion has a divine origin, the fact is these very same Christians point to a very human book for credence in said origin (therefore the relation to your post about the religion "hinging" on a couple of OT stories). It's a fascinating thing, imo. I happen to believe that all religions have a human origin, but that each of them teach some truth.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:20 AM

let's not lable an entire group while in the thread are saying that same group is umm, labeling a group.


you would be surprised the # of christians where this is a NON issue. it's the political party base/false religious types that are jumping all over this.


im a christian and don't sweat gay marriage one bit. i look at this simply as an equal right issue. i may totally disagree with the lifestyle etc, but i get them having the same rights as anybody else.


That's totally progressive and all, but why are we even having this debate to begin with? Religion. And since you all are the religious ones, the burden is on you to defend this nonsense.

That entire quote reads to me like "Hey guys I believe in this book and live my life based on its teachings but "even though I disagree with the lifestyle" (the hell does that even mean?) I'll say I'm totally cool with this one part even though I'm explicitly forbidden from doing so just so I don't appear to be so blatantly and outwardly bigoted."