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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:33 PM

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Again you add so much. He is one of yours heels fans. Haha.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 01:11 PM

No point arguing w/ you guys anymore. Dookies thinking the team will be special next season is comical to say the least.

Let's go over the "duke logic" in this thread so far:

Duke fans relishing in the fact that Carolina lost four special players to the NBA, but for some reason aren't phased by losing their leading scorer/best player to the NBA. Not to mention one of your very few inside players, dukes glaring weak spot, to graduation as well. Now to call Miles PLumlee an "inside player" might be more flattering than truthful, it is still a loss that you have to deal with.

Duke fans in this thread have also blamed Carolina fans for assuming Marcus Paige, the #3 overall PG in recruiting and McDonalds AA this year, will be some sort of savior and us counting on something that could or could not happen.

Let me remind you duke fans that you are also in a very similar situation. Who is going to run the point for you? Quinn Cook? Tyler Thornton? Seth Curry?

Cook, like Paige, is unproven. He could be a good player, but as of now who fuging knows? You have nothing to back your arguments on and accussing carolina fans of something you are most certainly guilty of doing is extremely hypocritical and ignorant.

And Thornton is garbage. You know it. I know it. He shouldn't be starting on a team like Duke.

Oh yeah, then there is recruiting. Or lack there of in Durham this season. Sure, you did land one 5Star recruit, but Duke was out recruited by Wake Forrest and Maryland this year. fuging WAKE FORREST. This should have you extremely concerned. You also weren't even in the top 30 this season. Disgusting.

Carolina took some hits this year but at least we have made arrangements to replace these players and our team, once again is loaded with talent. They will be starting 4 McDonalds AA next season with another one of the bench. I'm not calling for a NC run or anything but I could see them being a S16 team next season followed by a NC team the year after.

Duke returns a team much worse than the team they had this year. A team that lost in the opening round of the NCAA tourney to a JV basketball team.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 02:28 PM

No point arguing w/ you guys anymore. Dookies thinking the team will be special next season is comical to say the least.

Let's go over the "duke logic" in this thread so far:

Duke fans relishing in the fact that Carolina lost three special players to the NBA, but for some reason aren't phased by losing their leading scorer/best player to the NBA. Not to mention one of your very few inside players, dukes glaring weak spot, to graduation as well. Now to call Miles PLumlee an "inside player" might be more flattering than truthful, it is still a loss that you have to deal with.

Duke fans in this thread have also blamed Carolina fans for assuming Marcus Paige, the #3 overall PG in recruiting and McDonalds AA this year, will be some sort of savior and us counting on something that could or could not happen.

Let me remind you duke fans that you are also in a very similar situation. Who is going to run the point for you? Quinn Cook? Tyler Thornton? Seth Curry?

Cook, like Paige, is unproven. He could be a good player, but as of now who fuging knows? You have nothing to back your arguments on.

And Thornton is garbage. You know it. I know it. He shouldn't be starting on a team like Duke.

Oh yeah, then there is recruiting. Or lack there of in Durham this season. Sure, you did land one 5Star recruit, but Duke was out recruited by Wake Forrest and Maryland this year. fuging WAKE FORREST. This should have you extremely concerned. You also weren't even in the top 30 this season. Disgusting.

Carolina took some hits this year but at least we have made arrangements to replace these players and our team, once again is loaded with talent. They will be starting 4 McDonalds AA next season with another one of the bench. I'm not calling for a NC run or anything but I could see them being a S16 team next season followed by a NC team the year after.

Duke returns a team much worse than the team they had this year. A team that lost in the opening round of the NCAA tourney to a JV basketball team.


Nobody said anything about Duke being "special". I see them as a top ten team who could win the ACC and maybe a no.2 seed in the NCAA at best. That's not special, thats average for Duke.

Losing Rivers as a "talent" hurts the team a bit but he wasn't the most liked teammate and clashed with the system in place. It maybe better for Duke in the long run with him gone. Math isn't my strong suit but i believe losing 4 NBA players to our one is more of a blow. And as for Miles, people forget his younger brother redshirted last year and is all set to take his place in the lineup. He may very well be the best of the Plumlee brothers in fact.

Both Paige and Cook are question marks. Cook was recovering from an injury all season and didn't show the skills that made him a top recruit last season. Paige is a freshman thrust into the spotlight. All eyes will be on him as he takes over leading one of the nations top programs. You never know with freshman. Some get it their 1st year, some don't. Oh and Strickland and Thornton are pretty much the same guy. Thornton being the better defender and Strickland having a little more pop on offense. Both should be backups IMO.

Hmmm yes recruiting, well the jury is still out. Duke is still in the running for the services of 2 top prospects. Plus as i pointed out before, both Plumlee 3 and Alex Murphy were redshirted so you must add them into the mix as well. I see great things for Murphy at Duke but thats just me.

Duke returns proven players. Guys who have shown they can compete at a high level. No one at UNC has averaged ten points of better. Duke returns 3 and Mason Plumlee is a double threat every game.

Botton line is both teams lost their last game. Both had key injuries late. Both won on each others home court and neither won the ACC. UNC was suppose to steam thru Duke (as well as the rest of the ACC) and win it all while Duke was in a rebuilding mode. Now its UNC rebuilding while Duke looks to be in the drivers seat.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

No point arguing w/ you guys anymore. Dookies thinking the team will be special next season is comical to say the least.

Let's go over the "duke logic" in this thread so far:

Duke fans relishing in the fact that Carolina lost four special players to the NBA, but for some reason aren't phased by losing their leading scorer/best player to the NBA. Not to mention one of your very few inside players, dukes glaring weak spot, to graduation as well. Now to call Miles PLumlee an "inside player" might be more flattering than truthful, it is still a loss that you have to deal with.

Duke fans in this thread have also blamed Carolina fans for assuming Marcus Paige, the #3 overall PG in recruiting and McDonalds AA this year, will be some sort of savior and us counting on something that could or could not happen.

Let me remind you duke fans that you are also in a very similar situation. Who is going to run the point for you? Quinn Cook? Tyler Thornton? Seth Curry?

Cook, like Paige, is unproven. He could be a good player, but as of now who fuging knows? You have nothing to back your arguments on and accussing carolina fans of something you are most certainly guilty of doing is extremely hypocritical and ignorant.

And Thornton is garbage. You know it. I know it. He shouldn't be starting on a team like Duke.

Oh yeah, then there is recruiting. Or lack there of in Durham this season. Sure, you did land one 5Star recruit, but Duke was out recruited by Wake Forrest and Maryland this year. fuging WAKE FORREST. This should have you extremely concerned. You also weren't even in the top 30 this season. Disgusting.

Carolina took some hits this year but at least we have made arrangements to replace these players and our team, once again is loaded with talent. They will be starting 4 McDonalds AA next season with another one of the bench. I'm not calling for a NC run or anything but I could see them being a S16 team next season followed by a NC team the year after.

Duke returns a team much worse than the team they had this year. A team that lost in the opening round of the NCAA tourney to a JV basketball team.


Good Job, only took you 2 and a half days to come up with something intelligent to say. The funny thing is that you STILL got so many things wrong.

No one has ever said Duke is going to be a powerhouse so I have no idea where you got that.

Duke loses 2 players, only one of them key to the team. UNC loses 4 players, ALL 4 key to the team, and yet somehow Duke lost more? To make that argument work you must think that Austin Rivers is the next MJ and Miles Plumlee is the next Dwight Howard. So take your bias pants off and figure out which one it is.

Why do you keep regurgitating the same argument? "Carolina is replacing the 4 lottery picks they just lost, with four 4 star freshman. THEY ARE ALL AMERICANS THOUGH!!!!" Question: Does being an All American in high school gain you any extra points per game or rebounds? Exactly, so stop saying that like it magically makes your team good. Not saying you don't have good players, but there are more than plenty of Mcdonald's All Americans that end up sucking in college. BTW, Paige is the 3rd best PG in a recruiting class that has no elite point guards. That is like saying you have the shiniest peanut in the terd. Just because he is ranked like that doesn't make him a superstar. He could be good, he could be bad, but at the end of the day, he likely won't be good his freshman year. Freshman point guards rarely typically succeed. Only time's they do is if they are extraordinary passers(Marshall), or great scorers(Irving), Paige is neither.

You mention who is going to play PG for Duke? No one ever said Thornton was a superstar. He is a Coach K type player. Tons of hustle, great defense, terrible offense, a la Lance Thomas and Brian Zubek. Cook can be solid, but he is too stupid with the ball in his hands sometimes to be elite. Duke's offense doesn't really require a PG at the end of the day anyways. Just someone who can shoot and not turn the ball over. We won the national championship in 2010 with Scheyer playing PG.

As for recruiting, Duke is still in the running for Tony Parker and Amile Jefferson, 2 5 star recruits, although I think we will only end up with one.(Jefferson) But I forgot you are the guy that is all about prematurely ranking classes before everything is said and done. Duke won't end up with the top class, but if they get at least 1, they will end up in the top 15 at least, if somehow they pull both, top 10, possibly top 5.

And for Popcorn, I agree with most of what you said. I think Alex Murphy is a Kyle Singler clone, and could do a lot of the same things Kyle did when he was here. I agree that I don't think it was a massive loss to lose Rivers, it sucks, but the team will likely be better for it. Only thing I think I should mention is that it was always predicted that Mason would be the best of the 3 brothers, with a toss up for who would be the second best between Miles and Marshall.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:34 AM

No point arguing w/ you guys anymore. Dookies thinking the team will be special next season is comical to say the least.

Let's go over the "duke logic" in this thread so far:

Duke fans relishing in the fact that Carolina lost four special players to the NBA, but for some reason aren't phased by losing their leading scorer/best player to the NBA. Not to mention one of your very few inside players, dukes glaring weak spot, to graduation as well. Now to call Miles PLumlee an "inside player" might be more flattering than truthful, it is still a loss that you have to deal with.

Duke fans in this thread have also blamed Carolina fans for assuming Marcus Paige, the #3 overall PG in recruiting and McDonalds AA this year, will be some sort of savior and us counting on something that could or could not happen.

Let me remind you duke fans that you are also in a very similar situation. Who is going to run the point for you? Quinn Cook? Tyler Thornton? Seth Curry?

Cook, like Paige, is unproven. He could be a good player, but as of now who fuging knows? You have nothing to back your arguments on and accussing carolina fans of something you are most certainly guilty of doing is extremely hypocritical and ignorant.

And Thornton is garbage. You know it. I know it. He shouldn't be starting on a team like Duke.

Oh yeah, then there is recruiting. Or lack there of in Durham this season. Sure, you did land one 5Star recruit, but Duke was out recruited by Wake Forrest and Maryland this year. fuging WAKE FORREST. This should have you extremely concerned. You also weren't even in the top 30 this season. Disgusting.

Carolina took some hits this year but at least we have made arrangements to replace these players and our team, once again is loaded with talent. They will be starting 4 McDonalds AA next season with another one of the bench. I'm not calling for a NC run or anything but I could see them being a S16 team next season followed by a NC team the year after.

Duke returns a team much worse than the team they had this year. A team that lost in the opening round of the NCAA tourney to a JV basketball team.


Once again you are showing how you don't know anything about college basketball. Duke brought in 5 freshmen last year and each D1 school is only allowed 13 scholarships so we only have 1 or 2 scholarships available depending on if they offer Zafirovski one.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:55 AM

No point arguing w/ you guys anymore. Dookies thinking the team will be special next season is comical to say the least.

Let's go over the "duke logic" in this thread so far:

Duke fans relishing in the fact that Carolina lost four special players to the NBA, but for some reason aren't phased by losing their leading scorer/best player to the NBA. Not to mention one of your very few inside players, dukes glaring weak spot, to graduation as well. Now to call Miles PLumlee an "inside player" might be more flattering than truthful, it is still a loss that you have to deal with.

Duke fans in this thread have also blamed Carolina fans for assuming Marcus Paige, the #3 overall PG in recruiting and McDonalds AA this year, will be some sort of savior and us counting on something that could or could not happen.

Let me remind you duke fans that you are also in a very similar situation. Who is going to run the point for you? Quinn Cook? Tyler Thornton? Seth Curry?

Cook, like Paige, is unproven. He could be a good player, but as of now who fuging knows? You have nothing to back your arguments on and accussing carolina fans of something you are most certainly guilty of doing is extremely hypocritical and ignorant.

And Thornton is garbage. You know it. I know it. He shouldn't be starting on a team like Duke.

Oh yeah, then there is recruiting. Or lack there of in Durham this season. Sure, you did land one 5Star recruit, but Duke was out recruited by Wake Forrest and Maryland this year. fuging WAKE FORREST. This should have you extremely concerned. You also weren't even in the top 30 this season. Disgusting.

Carolina took some hits this year but at least we have made arrangements to replace these players and our team, once again is loaded with talent. They will be starting 4 McDonalds AA next season with another one of the bench. I'm not calling for a NC run or anything but I could see them being a S16 team next season followed by a NC team the year after.

Duke returns a team much worse than the team they had this year. A team that lost in the opening round of the NCAA tourney to a JV basketball team.


I think what is comical is you thinking any of us Duke fans on here think that next years team will be special. Munch, Popcorn, and myself have never claimed to have a special team next season but we do have proven players and only lost 1 starter. To have a poll out already is stupid not to mention having Duke behind unc in the poll makes no sense. unc has 0 players coming back that averaged double figures in scoring while Duke returns 3 players that did. unc's team this year could be good enough to contend for the Acc title or could end up finishing in the 6-8 range, you just never know with what they lost. Duke on the other hand will win the Acc or finish no worse then 2nd or 3rd and could be a top 5 team in the country if Cook can be the PG we all expected when he came out of Oak Hill. Rumors are also swirling that Mike Gbinije is transfering which could mean Amile Jefferson is on his way to Durham.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:05 AM

I think what is comical is you thinking any of us Duke fans on here think that next years team will be special. Munch, Popcorn, and myself have never claimed to have a special team next season but we do have proven players and only lost 1 starter. To have a poll out already is stupid not to mention having Duke behind unc in the poll makes no sense. unc has 0 players coming back that averaged double figures in scoring while Duke returns 3 players that did. unc's team this year could be good enough to contend for the Acc title or could end up finishing in the 6-8 range, you just never know with what they lost. Duke on the other hand will win the Acc or finish no worse then 2nd or 3rd and could be a top 5 team in the country if Cook can be the PG we all expected when he came out of Oak Hill. Rumors are also swirling that Mike Gbinije is transfering which could mean Amile Jefferson is on his way to Durham.


Yeh, Gbinije is pretty much gone. I still don't know why he didn't get more PT during the season, seeing as most games we could have used his size at the 3. But I guess he just wasn't coming along how K liked or something, but who knows. I think him leaving is less of a factor for Amile, than whether or not CJ Leslie stays or goes. If he stays, Amile will come to Duke, if he goes, Amile is going to NC State.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

Yeh, Gbinije is pretty much gone. I still don't know why he didn't get more PT during the season, seeing as most games we could have used his size at the 3. But I guess he just wasn't coming along how K liked or something, but who knows. I think him leaving is less of a factor for Amile, than whether or not CJ Leslie stays or goes. If he stays, Amile will come to Duke, if he goes, Amile is going to NC State.


Yeah kids now don't seem to want to pay their dues, they don't get the PT they seem to think they deserve and they move on. I mean realistically only 15 to 20 percent of freshmen are ready to come in and make an impact their first year. Maybe part of it is how Duke likes to run the 3 guard lineup which takes away the need of the small forward but either way I wish silent G the best. FWIW I don't think Leslie is going anywhere so I hope you are right about Jefferson.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:58 AM

Let's not get all worked up over preseason polls...like that will happen :rolleyes: .

I think the bottom line for next year is that Carolina has a lot of work to do to make it even to the sweet 16. I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it, I don't trust freshmen PG's, which is probably what we'll be starting with. And even if Paige doesn't start (maybe Strickland will start at PG, which I doubt), we don't have any natural PG's on the roster. We have some good combo guards, but to be a really good team you need a really good PG, especially with Roy ball.

I expect a rough start for the Heels, and depending on the development of Paige, I think we finish about 3rd in the conference. If Paige is better than I think he'll be it's possible we could contend for the ACC championship. In any case I don't see us making it past the first weekend in the NCAA's. Of course all of this is conjecture, because we don't know what we have with Paige...he will make or break our season (and by "make" I don't mean winning a NC...I mean top 3 ACC and make the NCAA tourney with a 4 seed or better.)

What's really weird in all this is that NC State may well be the best basketball team in NC next year. That hasn't happened since I was a kid.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:00 AM

Yeah kids now don't seem to want to pay their dues, they don't get the PT they seem to think they deserve and they move on. I mean realistically only 15 to 20 percent of freshmen are ready to come in and make an impact their first year. Maybe part of it is how Duke likes to run the 3 guard lineup which takes away the need of the small forward but either way I wish silent G the best. FWIW I don't think Leslie is going anywhere so I hope you are right about Jefferson.


I think it would be a mistake for Leslie to go, but some people cant shake that instant payday. I know if it were me, I have had the choice at millions of dollars, or school work for another year, it would be tough to pass it up.

Btw, I don't know if you noticed, but this Mr TD guy is neg repping every post we make. Guess that is how Walmart teach's you to get back at someone when you can't offer an intelligent argument.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:06 AM

Btw, I don't know if you noticed, but this Mr TD guy is neg repping every post we make. Guess that is how Walmart teach's you to get back at someone when you can't offer an intelligent argument.

And yet calling him a Walmart Heel fan is somehow an enlightening, value adding, discussion tool?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:08 AM

Let's not get all worked up over preseason polls...like that will happen :rolleyes: .

I think the bottom line for next year is that Carolina has a lot of work to do to make it even to the sweet 16. I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it, I don't trust freshmen PG's, which is probably what we'll be starting with. And even if Paige doesn't start (maybe Strickland will start at PG, which I doubt), we don't have any natural PG's on the roster. We have some good combo guards, but to be a really good team you need a really good PG, especially with Roy ball.

I expect a rough start for the Heels, and depending on the development of Paige, I think we finish about 3rd in the conference. If Paige is better than I think he'll be it's possible we could contend for the ACC championship. In any case I don't see us making it past the first weekend in the NCAA's. Of course all of this is conjecture, because we don't know what we have with Paige...he will make or break our season (and by "make" I don't mean winning a NC...I mean top 3 ACC and make the NCAA tourney with a 4 seed or better.)

What's really weird in all this is that NC State may well be the best basketball team in NC next year. That hasn't happened since I was a kid.


I think its a forgone conclusion to just about anyone who isn't irrationally biased that NC State has the best shot at winning the ACC next year. Their team was starting to come together at the end of they year, AND they ended up getting a pretty sick recruiting class. Only real guy they are losing is CJ Williams, and he should be fairly easily replaced by Rodney Purvis. They got a solid backup PG coming in Tyler Lewis, and another good rotation guy(for freshman year at least) in TJ Warren. Plus, I just saw they are still in the running for Torian Graham as well.