Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

I Do Not Hate Luke Keuchly


185 posts in this topic

Posted · Report post

I really don't.

I have made some digs here and there comparing him to lesser LB'ers, but he has great measurables, seems like a smart kid, and obviously impressed the Panthers FO enough for them to make him a top 10 pick.

I do however hate where the Panthers picked him.

Before I get into this name me the starting Lb'ers of the Super Bowl Champion NY Giants?
Dont google it, just name them.

Most of you cant.
In the SuperBowl their starters were
SLB


59 Michael Boley


MLB


53 Greg Jones


WLB


94 Mathias Kiwanuka
[font=sans-serif][size=2][left]
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/02/04/2986487/super-bowl-matchups-giants-patriots.html#storylink=cpy[/left][/size][/font]


The Giants base their defense on a powerful Defensive Line generating pressure and freeing up their Linebackers (whom few can name) to make plays in the running game.



The Panthers however appear to have taken a different approach.
Our Defensive line is made up of basically no bodies (minus Charles Johnson). We do not generate a ton of pressure and sacks and as of right now our LB'ers are going to be fighting off Guards and Tackles when trying to make plays in the running game.

The above is the center piece of my disdain for the 2012 first over all pick.

Why is the front office building the defense on such a shaky foundation ?

Why in a division...,a LEAGUE for that matter, where QB's are ruling the world are we not working to generate more pressure and sacks?

Why do we have 3 first round picks invested in a LB'er group, not to mention almost 100million dollars over the next 5 or so years, when the NFL as a whole seems to be devaluing the LB'er position more and more?

What good is the "Best LB Corps" in the NFL if they are being assfuged by offensive linemen the whole game and making tackles 3-5 yards on the positive side of the LOS ?

Had the Panthers traded back and gotten a couple of picks and then taken this kid, I would be less upset.

Had the Panthers decided to build from the inside out on both sides of the lines I would be thrilled.

But I fail to see where this will be a significant impact to improving this defense.

Had the significant talents on the DL (Cox to name the favorite) been gone, this pick would be a ton easier to swallow.


We arent running a 3-4 or a 4-4. IF (and I agree its unlikely) all of our starters from last season are on the field this kid could sit on the bench all season. Are we going to move our Superstar MLB to WLB so this kid ecan thrive ? The feeling of ineptitude here is stifling to me.
I even had someone tweet to me we could ROTATE fuging LINEBACKERS to keep them fresh now ?

and you all ask me why I am on my period. BS like this put me on my period.


Feel free to continue taunting me and calling me out, thats why we are here, to debate and have a good time.

I hope I am wrong, I hope he turns out to be a superstar game changer. I fail to see how that can happen however, w/o the pieces in place around him to help him succeed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Totally agree with you

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Who said adding him wont allow us to pressure more. I would say that we can afford to blitz more from safety and other spots with him on the field if he covers like you guys say he can.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='Kurb' timestamp='1335542351' post='1750928']Feel free to continue taunting me and calling me out...[/quote]

[yt]A8yjNbcKkNY[/yt]
1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

who would you have drafted, assuming trading down wasn't an option? Coples? Ingram? Gilmore?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='Kurb' timestamp='1335542351' post='1750928']
I really don't.

I have made some digs here and there comparing him to lesser LB'ers, but he has great measurables, seems like a smart kid, and obviously impressed the Panthers FO enough for them to make him a top 10 pick.

I do however hate where the Panthers picked him.

Before I get into this name me the starting Lb'ers of the Super Bowl Champion NY Giants?
Dont google it, just name them.

Most of you cant.
In the SuperBowl their starters were
SLB


59 Michael Boley


MLB


53 Greg Jones


WLB


94 Mathias Kiwanuka
[left]
Read more here: [url="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/02/04/2986487/super-bowl-matchups-giants-patriots.html#storylink=cpy"]http://www.charlotte...l#storylink=cpy[/url][/left]



The Giants base their defense on a powerful Defensive Line generating pressure and freeing up their Linebackers (whom few can name) to make plays in the running game.



The Panthers however appear to have taken a different approach.
Our Defensive line is made up of basically no bodies (minus Charles Johnson). We do not generate a ton of pressure and sacks and as of right now our LB'ers are going to be fighting off Guards and Tackles when trying to make plays in the running game.

The above is the center piece of my disdain for the 2012 first over all pick.

Why is the front office building the defense on such a shaky foundation ?

Why in a division...,a LEAGUE for that matter, where QB's are ruling the world are we not working to generate more pressure and sacks?

Why do we have 3 first round picks invested in a LB'er group, not to mention almost 100million dollars over the next 5 or so years, when the NFL as a whole seems to be devaluing the LB'er position more and more?

What good is the "Best LB Corps" in the NFL if they are being assfuged by offensive linemen the whole game and making tackles 3-5 yards on the positive side of the LOS ?

Had the Panthers traded back and gotten a couple of picks and then taken this kid, I would be less upset.

Had the Panthers decided to build from the inside out on both sides of the lines I would be thrilled.

But I fail to see where this will be a significant impact to improving this defense.

Had the significant talents on the DL (Cox to name the favorite) been gone, this pick would be a ton easier to swallow.


We arent running a 3-4 or a 4-4. IF (and I agree its unlikely) all of our starters from last season are on the field this kid could sit on the bench all season. Are we going to move our Superstar MLB to WLB so this kid ecan thrive ? The feeling of ineptitude here is stifling to me.
I even had someone tweet to me we could ROTATE fuging LINEBACKERS to keep them fresh now ?

and you all ask me why I am on my period. BS like this put me on my period.


Feel free to continue taunting me and calling me out, thats why we are here, to debate and have a good time.

I hope I am wrong, I hope he turns out to be a superstar game changer. I fail to see how that can happen however, w/o the pieces in place around him to help him succeed.
[/quote]




did not read, do not care

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

i think chase blackburn was actually starting MLB for the giants during the superbowl... and i think that helps your argument.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

dont be sad emo kid <3

we have cam newton!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='Kurb' timestamp='1335542351' post='1750928']
I really don't.

I have made some digs here and there comparing him to lesser LB'ers, but he has great measurables, seems like a smart kid, and obviously impressed the Panthers FO enough for them to make him a top 10 pick.

I do however hate where the Panthers picked him.

Before I get into this name me the starting Lb'ers of the Super Bowl Champion NY Giants?
Dont google it, just name them.

Most of you cant.
In the SuperBowl their starters were
SLB


59 Michael Boley


MLB


53 Greg Jones


WLB


94 Mathias Kiwanuka
[left]
Read more here: [url="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/02/04/2986487/super-bowl-matchups-giants-patriots.html#storylink=cpy"]http://www.charlotte...l#storylink=cpy[/url][/left]



The Giants base their defense on a powerful Defensive Line generating pressure and freeing up their Linebackers (whom few can name) to make plays in the running game.



The Panthers however appear to have taken a different approach.
Our Defensive line is made up of basically no bodies (minus Charles Johnson). We do not generate a ton of pressure and sacks and as of right now our LB'ers are going to be fighting off Guards and Tackles when trying to make plays in the running game.

The above is the center piece of my disdain for the 2012 first over all pick.

Why is the front office building the defense on such a shaky foundation ?

Why in a division...,a LEAGUE for that matter, where QB's are ruling the world are we not working to generate more pressure and sacks?

Why do we have 3 first round picks invested in a LB'er group, not to mention almost 100million dollars over the next 5 or so years, when the NFL as a whole seems to be devaluing the LB'er position more and more?

What good is the "Best LB Corps" in the NFL if they are being assfuged by offensive linemen the whole game and making tackles 3-5 yards on the positive side of the LOS ?

Had the Panthers traded back and gotten a couple of picks and then taken this kid, I would be less upset.

Had the Panthers decided to build from the inside out on both sides of the lines I would be thrilled.

But I fail to see where this will be a significant impact to improving this defense.

Had the significant talents on the DL (Cox to name the favorite) been gone, this pick would be a ton easier to swallow.


We arent running a 3-4 or a 4-4. IF (and I agree its unlikely) all of our starters from last season are on the field this kid could sit on the bench all season. Are we going to move our Superstar MLB to WLB so this kid ecan thrive ? The feeling of ineptitude here is stifling to me.
I even had someone tweet to me we could ROTATE fuging LINEBACKERS to keep them fresh now ?

and you all ask me why I am on my period. BS like this put me on my period.


Feel free to continue taunting me and calling me out, thats why we are here, to debate and have a good time.

I hope I am wrong, I hope he turns out to be a superstar game changer. I fail to see how that can happen however, w/o the pieces in place around him to help him succeed.
[/quote]


I agree .. great post

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='SOJA' timestamp='1335542587' post='1750944']
who would you have drafted, assuming trading down wasn't an option? Coples? Ingram? Gilmore?
[/quote]

I would have taken Cox and been thrilled he was there.
He could start over Hardy at LDE and move inside to DT on 3n longs.
Much like Justin Tuck.

But I am not a scout, im not a GM, nor am I a Coach.
And its likely they are all smarter than me.

Im just searching for some understanding here.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='mmmbeans' timestamp='1335542617' post='1750948']
i think chase blackburn was actually starting MLB for the giants during the superbowl... and i think that helps your argument.
[/quote]

Could be, I just did a quick google.
I know he made a big interception.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

And to add to your point Kurb, think back to our own Panther squad that made it to SB 38. I think it's easier to recall our D-Line from that season (Pep, Rucker, Jenkins, Buckner) than our LB's. I agree that games are won/lost in the trenches, and there must be a belief amongst the FO and coaching staff that the guys drafted last year with a healthy Ron Edwards will do the job needed upfront.

I hope so. The addition of Luke to me signals the end of the Thomas Davis era in Carolina.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites