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Some Don't Want Cam Scoring On The Ground ?

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Look at Cunningham's and Newton's numbers from last season. They're almost identical.

Newton: 4051 yards passing and 706 yards rushing

Cunningham's highest rushing season is 942 and has 4 seasons over 500 yards (2 of those over 600) and 5 seasons of at least 3200 yards passing (his highest being 3808).

The Eagles could've won a Super Bowl with Cunningham. It's not his fault because he did his part.

Cunningham played maybe, & I'm being generous, 6 complete seasons for his career. He has a significant injury history. He retired in '95 b/c he was benched for our own former QB Rodney Peete. Came back in '97 to the Vikes where he had 2 good years & was benched again. He was a backup for the Ravens his final year before he permanently retired form football.

You tell me, but that's not what I think Cam's career is going to look like.

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I don't think you were responding to my post, but just using your cherry picked examples (I say that b/c we all cherry pick, but I am using 'your' examples:

Vick: How many seasons has he actually played all games without being injured? Wide list of injuries that kept him out.

Culpepper: 5 good seasons, then went off the cliff

Cunningham: I'll give you that 1

Young: Played a full seasons in only 3 out of his 15 year career

I was hoping someone would bite on those names because Cam is nothing like Vick and Young in physical stature. I know that no one is invincible but both of those players are like children physically compared to Cam.

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In Randall's last ten years he only played in like 80 games i believe.

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You know you're including seasons where they sat him because they already made the playoffs and also the seasons where they still had Joe Montana right?

Vick and Culpepper were not great throwers which is why they ran more often so they shouldn't have been mentioned.

If people are going to compare Cam's running to some other runner that got hurt, it's got to be with someone who didn't have to rely on his legs so much because he was such a worthless piece of crap quarterback like Vick.

Yes. I also included the 2 full seasons where he led the pathetic Bucs to nothing & got traded to the 49rs.

I agree with your take on Vick, but I didn't start that discussion...just was lending perspective.

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I was hoping someone would bite on those names because Cam is nothing like Vick and Young in physical stature. I know that no one is invincible but both of those players are like children physically compared to Cam.

I agree, BUT...6'2" 215lbs. is definitely comparable in '85 to 6'5" 250lbs. today. Back then you didn't have DEs running faster than RBs. Players are MUCH bigger now than when Young was playing. Vick is a little boy compared to Cam, + Vick runs 'stupidly' & Cam does not.

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Man it's good to have discussions like these. Debating what is the best way to utilize an extremely talented player who may have had TOO much success running and STILL broke the all-time rookie passing record.....beautiful!

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Cunningham played maybe, & I'm being generous, 6 complete seasons for his career. He has a significant injury history. He retired in '95 b/c he was benched for our own former QB Rodney Peete. Came back in '97 to the Vikes where he had 2 good years & was benched again. He was a backup for the Ravens his final year before he permanently retired form football.

You tell me, but that's not what I think Cam's career is going to look like.

3 of his Eagle years they had Jaws starting. Seven seasons of at least starting 12 games (87-90, 92, 94, and 98). He earned All-Pro honors in 1998 by the way. You're not looking at the whole picture. Cam is in a better situation because he came in right away to start and won't go to another team that already has a starter in place. Cunningham was a 4 time All-Pro. Imagine what Cam will do in his better situation.

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3 of his Eagle years they had Jaws starting. Seven seasons of at least starting 12 games (87-90, 92, 94, and 98). He earned All-Pro honors in 1998 by the way. You're not looking at the whole picture. Cam is in a better situation because he came in right away to start and won't go to another team that already has a starter in place. Cunningham was a 4 time All-Pro. Imagine what Cam will do in his better situation.

Cunningham was only behind Jaws for 2 seasons then was the starter. I didn’t know that from 88-98 the season was only 12 games?! Looking at the whole picture?! He played in 14 or more games in only 6 seasons. He was injured multiple times.

He did earn all-pro during '98, he had an extraordinary supporting cast (Chris Carter, Moss & Reed). I was at the playoff game he lost to Atlanta, they had a great offensive coordinator (Billick, before he became the HC of Baltimore). How is Cam in a 'better' situation than that? Our WRs, except Smith are not even close to what that team had.

So excuse me if I don't agree with your 'exact' comparison between Cunnigham & Cam...it would be very depressing to think that's how Cam's career ends up. Don't get me wrong either...I loved Cunningham even tho I didn't like the Eagles or Vikes.

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I don't mind Cam running on designed plays or scrambles because I know he has the moves to juke defenders and stay injury free.

The jumping over the pile worries me though. On this play, for example I was super worried about his neck when he came down. Cam is tall and can get some major air but, needs to remember that no amount of moves can juke gravity.

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What's the point of having Cam if we don't use him as Cam?

I'd rather not see him run in goal-line situations though.

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Cunningham was only behind Jaws for 2 seasons then was the starter. I didn’t know that from 88-98 the season was only 12 games?! Looking at the whole picture?! He played in 14 or more games in only 6 seasons. He was injured multiple times.

He did earn all-pro during '98, he had an extraordinary supporting cast (Chris Carter, Moss & Reed). I was at the playoff game he lost to Atlanta, they had a great offensive coordinator (Billick, before he became the HC of Baltimore). How is Cam in a 'better' situation than that? Our WRs, except Smith are not even close to what that team had.

So excuse me if I don't agree with your 'exact' comparison between Cunnigham & Cam...it would be very depressing to think that's how Cam's career ends up. Don't get me wrong either...I loved Cunningham even tho I didn't like the Eagles or Vikes.

Reading comprehension? I said at least 12 games. 1 of those 7 was 12 games starting in 1987. Did you know that was a strike year? So yes that's a full season.

His supporting cast in 98 has nothing to do with making all-pro. To make that you have to be excellent despite who is around the QB.

Cam is in a better situation because he doesn't have another QB taking away 2 whole seasons out of his career. Cam was ready right from the start. And he most likely will not retire and then come back to teams who already have a starter.

Cunningham collectively had a decade worth of greatness. Cam is bigger and therefore more durable. We should at least get 10 years out of him.

Also keep in mind there are other great runners and passers that lasted a long time as well. Warren Moon and Steve McNair. McNair had 6 straight seasons of at least 400 yards rushing and he lasted a long time. Cam's running ability may stay the same for about 5-8 years before he becomes more of a pocket passer like Moon. But Moon still had the threat of taking off when nothing was there, like McNair later in his career.

That's what Cam will become later in his career. A pocket passer that still has the threat of taking off every now and then. We should go ahead and use Cam's ability to run before he can't use it anymore and while he is reaching his peak of becoming a dynamic running and passing QB like Cunningham was.

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Just let Cam play football. Peyton missed last season due to injury, Brady about 3 seasons ago missed a whole season due to injury.

Injuries happen and the truth is that they are more likely to happen when your eyes are down field and you are unaware of your surroundings than when your head is on a swivel like it would be when running.

Being in the pocket is actually more dangerous for serious injury than running situations.

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