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#91 Frash Brastard

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 10:06 PM

Marty Hurney: Well, last year we fielded one of the worst passing defenses despite Gamble giving one of the top performances from a cornerback in the league and we had a record-breaking running game in efficiency. SO the only logical thing to do is spend the most money in Free Agency on another running back.



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Posted 10 August 2012 - 10:12 PM

I see flaws too. But I tend to think about costs and benefits of addressing each flaw. "Get a #2 corner" is easy to say. But from where? There aren't a bunch of guaranteed success stories with no flaws hanging out in the free agent pool begging to be signed. What if they watch film on the available players and decide none of them are worth the price or better than the guys they have on hand? Then the guy you want Hurney to sign becomes the free agent bust that proves to you that Hurney should be fired. Should the team have drafted a corner instead of Keuchly if they thought the CB wasn't as good a player but filled a bigger need? If they did that and the pick was a bust, would fans like you say "that's ok, I forgive Marty's drafting because he picked the guy I wanted him to"? I tend to think not, but again, it depends on your evaluation of the player. But this isn't baseball and we're not the Yankees, so every team is gonna have flaws, we can't just get every player we ever want. "Fire the GM" is a similar idea. Fine, but replace him with who? Unless Bill Belichick or Ozzie Newsome is secretly calling JR every night begging to come work for the Panthers I don't see how we can be so sure we'd be better off. I've learned it's a good idea to be careful about firing capable people unless you're sure you find a replacement that's an upgrade. Measured rationality may not be as much fun to express on the internet as frantic hyperbole, but it's a better way to run a football team, or any other company, in the real world

You are right Hurney shouldn't worry about fans like me. Hurney should be worrying about having 3 / 10 winning seasons and a below .500 regular season record. It really is that simple.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 10:28 PM

what da heck do he be talkin bout. we has nate nestle and john thomas. we aiight back der

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 10:30 PM

You are right Hurney shouldn't worry about fans like me. Hurney should be worrying about having 3 / 10 winning seasons and a below .500 regular season record. It really is that simple.


I'm sure he's worried about doing as much as he can to make the team better. Hurney has a pretty good reputation around the league. As far as the W/L record, fine, but a lot of people on this board were convinced that Fox was the worst coach in the world until we fired him, and now all those losses are suddenly Hurney's fault and not Fox's. Fact is, the GM doesn't control everything that goes on. There's always a little bit(or a lot) of luck. You never really know if a guy is gonna get hurt, or if a guy has something special that others haven't seen. Remember, Tom Brady was passed up by every team in the league 5 TIMES. Every GM, the good ones and the bad ones, had 5 shots at him and didn't take him. There's luck in this. What's the difference between Otah being a consistent Pro Bowler and a bust? A little bit of motivation that you can bet he pretended to have in pre-draft workouts? An imperceptible weakness in a knee ligament that wasn't apparent until it tore? And yet these are the things we judge NFL front offices by. But hey, sometimes a message board fan actually gets to buy a team and run it that way, firing people every few months, signing the big names and drafting the big stars all the time, running things Madden-style. That's called Dan Snyder and the Redskins.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:17 PM

I see flaws too. But I tend to think about costs and benefits of addressing each flaw. "Get a #2 corner" is easy to say. But from where? There aren't a bunch of guaranteed success stories with no flaws hanging out in the free agent pool begging to be signed. What if they watch film on the available players and decide none of them are worth the price or better than the guys they have on hand? Then the guy you want Hurney to sign becomes the free agent bust that proves to you that Hurney should be fired. Should the team have drafted a corner instead of Keuchly if they thought the CB wasn't as good a player but filled a bigger need? If they did that and the pick was a bust, would fans like you say "that's ok, I forgive Marty's drafting because he picked the guy I wanted him to"? I tend to think not, but again, it depends on your evaluation of the player. But this isn't baseball and we're not the Yankees, so every team is gonna have flaws, we can't just get every player we ever want. "Fire the GM" is a similar idea. Fine, but replace him with who? Unless Bill Belichick or Ozzie Newsome is secretly calling JR every night begging to come work for the Panthers I don't see how we can be so sure we'd be better off. I've learned it's a good idea to be careful about firing capable people unless you're sure you find a replacement that's an upgrade. Measured rationality may not be as much fun to express on the internet as frantic hyperbole, but it's a better way to run a football team, or any other company, in the real world


Being logical around here is a very bad thing. It seems people just want to bitch about their pet peeves. So just think of this as an I can be a better GM or Coach or Owner or whatever group therapy session. The insane posters will stand out and will give you a chance to use the ignore feature.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:19 PM

Move Godfrey to CB.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:23 PM

I'm sure he's worried about doing as much as he can to make the team better. Hurney has a pretty good reputation around the league. As far as the W/L record, fine, but a lot of people on this board were convinced that Fox was the worst coach in the world until we fired him, and now all those losses are suddenly Hurney's fault and not Fox's. Fact is, the GM doesn't control everything that goes on. There's always a little bit(or a lot) of luck. You never really know if a guy is gonna get hurt, or if a guy has something special that others haven't seen. Remember, Tom Brady was passed up by every team in the league 5 TIMES. Every GM, the good ones and the bad ones, had 5 shots at him and didn't take him. There's luck in this. What's the difference between Otah being a consistent Pro Bowler and a bust? A little bit of motivation that you can bet he pretended to have in pre-draft workouts? An imperceptible weakness in a knee ligament that wasn't apparent until it tore? And yet these are the things we judge NFL front offices by. But hey, sometimes a message board fan actually gets to buy a team and run it that way, firing people every few months, signing the big names and drafting the big stars all the time, running things Madden-style. That's called Dan Snyder and the Redskins.


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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:40 PM

I don't think people are overreacting. We have our first preseason game tomarrow and no #2. Even if all Shaun meant is competiition, it still sucks we have no one stepping out and seperating themselves. hopefully someone does before the season starts.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:51 PM

Wow, the concept of a joke escapes the grasp of the simplest minds..

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:53 PM

I don't think people are overreacting. We have our first preseason game tomarrow and no #2. Even if all Shaun meant is competiition, it still sucks we have no one stepping out and seperating themselves. hopefully someone does before the season starts.


Sean may very well already have his guy. He has no obligation to tell the fans exactly what the status of the competition is.

Remember this time last year? Who was our clear cut #1 QB? What did Rivera say? That's right, it was still a competition, even though we all had opinions on who was ahead or behind. In reality, Ron probably knew early on who he was going to play, but he didn't announce it because he wanted to press Cam to be the best he could be. That very well may be what Sean is doing here.

And yeah, QB is a bit more important than #2 CB. I understand the stakes and expectations are different this year than last, but let's give this one time to play out. I am a lot less worried about CB than I am DL.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:10 AM

*sigh*

Hurney has a pretty good reputation around the league.

From where did you find this information?

As far as the W/L record, fine, but a lot of people on this board were convinced that Fox was the worst coach in the world until we fired him, and now all those losses are suddenly Hurney's fault and not Fox's.

For the last 5 years of his tenure here, if you didn't see that Fox had his head up his ass as a head coach here you probably had your head up your ass as well.

Fact is, the GM doesn't control everything that goes on. There's always a little bit(or a lot) of luck.

Luck applies, but not overwhelmingly if you are a good GM that runs a tight operation. If this were true, 12 different teams would be making the playoffs every single year and teams like the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers, Giants, Packers, and Falcons would be having some 2-14 seasons.

You never really know if a guy is gonna get hurt, or if a guy has something special that others haven't seen. Remember, Tom Brady was passed up by every team in the league 5 TIMES. Every GM, the good ones and the bad ones, had 5 shots at him and didn't take him.

As it goes for finding superstar players, Brady is more like catching lightning in a bottle. This doesn't erase the real gap between the Patriots' personnel management and ours or the Browns. Would Tom Brady have succeeded anywhere he went? Do you remember that the Patriots also had a good defense, a stout running game, and a kicker with ice in his veins when their dynasty reigned supreme? Were these all lucky acquisitions?

There's luck in this. What's the difference between Otah being a consistent Pro Bowler and a bust? A little bit of motivation that you can bet he pretended to have in pre-draft workouts? An imperceptible weakness in a knee ligament that wasn't apparent until it tore?

Revisionist history. Otah had questions about toughness and motivation before the draft. Hurney saw a closing window for a superbowl run after Delhomme's injury and tried to build a championship team in one year. He uncharacteristically (until that point) traded a valuable future pick for a risky talent. He didn't just pick Otah's name out of a tumbler.

And yet these are the things we judge NFL front offices by.

Well, it's kinda their job. If their decision making doesn't yield positive results, they don't need to be sitting in that seat.

But hey, sometimes a message board fan actually gets to buy a team and run it that way, firing people every few months, signing the big names and drafting the big stars all the time, running things Madden-style.

What relevance does this have?

That's called Dan Snyder and the Redskins.

Again, relevance? It seems to me you're just skirting the main issue of this thread (lack of investment in CB position) in favor of parroting fear prop. Hypothetically, if we fired Hurney, our choices of replacements would never simply be limited to a bunch of message board fans and anybody as bad as Dan Snyder. Besides, the very guy you're bitching at everyone for critiquing started out writing the beat for the Redskins.



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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:24 AM

*sigh*

...Luck applies, but not overwhelmingly if you are a good GM that runs a tight operation. If this were true, 12 different teams would be making the playoffs every single year and teams like the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers, Giants, Packers, and Falcons would be having some 2-14 seasons.


And what do these teams all have in common? I don't expect us to have any more 2-14 seasons either now that we have Cam Newton.

So will that automatically make Marty a "good" GM?

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:53 AM

And what do these teams all have in common? I don't expect us to have any more 2-14 seasons either now that we have Cam Newton.

So will that automatically make Marty a "good" GM?


the amount of teams still lacking a franchise QB is quickly dwindling.

after that it comes down to whose franchise QBs are the best as well as the pieces surrounding them.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:57 AM

The season is not even here peeps

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:12 AM

George "Dubya" Bush?


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