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#46 JawnyBlaze

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:21 AM

Jake Long is a very very talented LT.


Yea, the only LT that's supposed to possibly be better is Joe Thomas, either way Jake Long is top 2 or 3 at least. And Hardy still got pressures and some decent run stops. He didn't play bad by any means, and Alexander didn't exactly ball out. He played ok, after Kuechly and Norman came out I was focused on Alexander on the defense most of all. I don't see where the perception that Alexander looked better than Hardy came from...

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:31 AM

I have Hardy near the top of my "sh1t or get off the pot" list this season.

Keiser looks legit IMHO and was good to see the DL play well last night.

See what happens when you have a legit pass rush?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:52 AM

I think Hardy played fairly well tonight and I was one of the people who was loosing his optimism for him. Other than the bonehead penalties he did his job. He didn't get the big numbers but he was holding the edge well on runs, penetrated and or pushed the line on most passing plays. His stat sheet wasn't sexy but he was disruptive. And as others have said....Jake Long. That guy makes a lot of DE's look average. I still think he needs to mature and step up, but im withholding judgement for now.

Alexander looked promising for a rook but that was all. He was not great against the run and wasn't consistent in pass rush. He had flashes without a doubt. But its way too early to give him the starting gig in my opinion.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:02 AM

i think we should start keiser. the guy does not quit.


I agree. I would like to see what he does against the Steelers 1st string O line.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:07 AM

you people are crazy if you think Hardy played bad last nite.........

you need to go back and watch every play. I'll take Hardy's effort from last nite every game.

he won't be going against one of the best LT's in the game every week.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:07 AM

I agree. I would like to see what he does against the Steelers 1st string O line.



You do NOT want him in as the starter. He would get abused in the run game. He's a passrushing specialist. You could bring him in on 3rd down plays with the ones, but not the early downs.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:48 AM

You do realize Greg Hardy had to face one of the best Tackles in the league in Jake Long right? I've seen Peppers disappear against Jake Long.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:54 AM

The ONLY thing Hardy is talented at is looking the role of a bad azz defensive end with his vicious posing. When it comes time to review the tape he is nothing more than a situational / rotational DE qualiity talent

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:07 PM

To answer the OP, not going to happen this year. However, if it does happen down the road, I am good with that. Hardy did well last nite. If Alexander can add to that, I would be giddy as a ...

Hardy and Edwards played well together. So did CJ and McClain. (Been so long since I used the singular, I forgot his name.) Stunted well, were disruptive, and played in the backfield all quarter. Good showing all around.

But no, Alexander had flashes at the end of the game. When he can do that in the heat of battle, which we have not seen, I will be pleazed.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:16 PM

You do NOT want him in as the starter. He would get abused in the run game. He's a passrushing specialist. You could bring him in on 3rd down plays with the ones, but not the early downs.


What is Hardy? He gets pushed around on the ground

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:51 PM

What is Hardy? He gets pushed around on the ground



Didn't I see somewhere, where you said you couldn't evaluate the game because you were there??? Hardy had a good night overall. Yes, he had a couple penalties, but he was getting pressure playing against JL. He also played the run pretty well (the whole starting DL also) and also played a role in CJs sack.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:23 PM

I hope Alexander gets some time (reps) against 1st team players. I'm not even close to declaring him better (or worse) than Hardy, but picking him where they did looks like a really good pick!

I had him on my Panthers pre-draft wishlist (I had him in the 5th or 6th round tho, not 4th). Go Panthers! It will be nice to have more than 2 DEs & Keiser this year (& I really like Keiser & Hardy; obviously King Charles as well). We don't have the most dominate interior DL, but the outsides are getting more solid.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:41 PM

Didn't I see somewhere, where you said you couldn't evaluate the game because you were there??? Hardy had a good night overall. Yes, he had a couple penalties, but he was getting pressure playing against JL. He also played the run pretty well (the whole starting DL also) and also played a role in CJs sack.


I said I didn't watch last nights game closely.

Hardy is a pass rusher. He got pushed around all last year against the run or didn't play it well.

Can't knock Kieser claiming he can only pass rush as a reason he shouldn't see time over Hardy.

So is Hardy suddenly not just a pass rusher bc of last night? Bc like I said, I didn't watch much outside the first string offense.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:48 PM

I read that wrong... he held his own in the run game pretty well.. There was 1 play I can remember he ended up about 5 yards back, but I think he was trying to keep the running lanes towards the middle of the field and retreated a bit.... I only rewatched the 1st half though, and of that one play it wouldn't hurt to take a 2nd look...

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:08 PM

I said I didn't watch last nights game closely.

Hardy is a pass rusher. He got pushed around all last year against the run or didn't play it well.

Can't knock Kieser claiming he can only pass rush as a reason he shouldn't see time over Hardy.

So is Hardy suddenly not just a pass rusher bc of last night? Bc like I said, I didn't watch much outside the first string offense.


Hardy got pushed around last year in the run game, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen this year. He put on all that muscle, and if last night against a top 2 or 3 LT is any indication, he won't be getting pushed around that much this year. He made a number of good run stops at the line of scrimmage. There was also a time or two he forced the runner inside due to holding his ground where he was supposed to be and someone else made the stop for little or no gain. I think that was the case on the Ron Edwards stop early in the game (or maybe it was the CJ tackle where he came around and tackled the runner from behind, I can't remember).


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