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looking back on the stats won't work really. Too many guys going for the ball without wrapping up.

Not to mention Breez threw the ball over 50 times. Your DBs will make more takles in this type game.

Sometimes runners win. Most times the D wins. We played well today. I'll take it.

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I know that people are not going to want to talk about it but I agree. Bottom line is that as much as I want to believe we it, we are not an elite team. Not even top ten and we really could be.

Its not just our run-D. Our entire defensive philosophy will keep us from crossing that threshold. We drafted Kuechly, I abhorred the pick and I still do. I got swamped on the Huddle for saying it but I stand by my original opinion which I voiced again a day or two ago on an earlier post. Our LB's, which have obviously been identified as the center of our defense, are all clones of each other. They are smallish, speedy guys with a lot of heart and skill. That sounds great right? But you see the result, huge downhill run gains.

Ray Lewis lost 15 pounds so he could cover more guys out the backfield, right? He did that because they drafted Melvin Ingram, who is a big run hole plugging LB who just so happens to be pretty good in blitzing. They also have Terrel Suggs, and Haloti Ngata. All of which are great against downhill running. Teams will continue to run down hill effectively because all the heart in the world wont allow a 235 pound LB to slow down 325 pound Guard with momentum.

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This brings up a different point and the huddle seniority refuses to accept, lol. And that is Ron Rivera is changing us to a 3-4.

Ron Edwards has played exceptional in his role. He plugs the middle well and gets penetration on passing downs. But he plays like he is in the 3-4, usually taking the middle gaps. But this exposes our LB's who are small to medium sized 4-3 backers to lead blocks and they dont match up well to that. So if Edwards doesn't stop the run the saftey's have to because the LB's cant get through. Also what the hell is up with Charles Johnson dropping into coverage!!!! Not saying I don't like the 3-4 but as long as we are in this transition we are in jeapardy when it comes to down hill running. Look at the playoff teams or at least the ones we expect to be there this year mainly the 49er's, Ravens and Steelers. That looks like trouble to me.

Beason had 10 tackles last week, and two of those were TFL's, so our LB's will be just fine. I do agree with you about dropping DE's back into coverage though, and you have a good point about our 3-4 look, but we've never gotten gashed when in that formation.

The stats may not show it, but I think our run defense has done great, especially after the way the Bears ran all over us last year.

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Lot of guys going for the strip in the first half rather than wrapping up. Wonder if we saw something in the film room on the way some of their guys handle the football.

Either way, better tackling need to be a focal point in practice this week.

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In defense of the stats,

Drew did throw for about 50 passes (49 actually but basically 50) but only completed 31. Subtracting the touchdown that makes 30 completed passes that were stopped. There were 35 tackles attributed to DB's Only 2 passes went for more than 20 yards regardless of how much was in the air so take those 2 from the DB total. So 33 pass play's were stopped inside of 20 yards gained.

There were 27 rushing attempts including 2 by Brees, and 2 of those went for TD's. The DB's got 22 solo tackles.

Now even with my math that looks like a large chunk of our tackles were solo tackles by DB's and basically half of those plays were runs by Thomas and Ingram (down hill runners).

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Our D is a work in progress...they will get better and better each week....

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lol Some of you guys are really good at overreacting. You remind me of those crazy homeless people you see in disaster movies. I wasn't happy with how the backers tacked on that one drive, but that's about it. I'm sure Rivera will get the tackling up to speed. I also find it funny that people are still criticising the Luke pick. Ummmm... for one thing, I didn't see the need of an extra pass rusher after today's game. Relax.

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You are absolutely right, I meant Courtney Upshaw. The 270+ pound LB. But the fact remains that the ravens are a model for down hill run stopping defense

You are an idiot Upshaw is a 3-4 LB.

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You are an idiot Upshaw is a 3-4 LB.

LMFAO, hey dumbass skim through the conversation before you post.

The point I was making was that our backers mixed and the rest of our team dont fit. This is a problem because A. They have been made the focus of our defense, B. they are undersized for the down hill run and C. we run a lot of 3-4 d-line calls and pass coverages.

I could go into the nuances of 3-4 vs 4-3 but I doubt you would understand anyway. So sit back, grab a beer and unplug your keyboard because your typing is keeping your from learning something.

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LMFAO, hey dumbass skim through the conversation before you post.

The point I was making was that our backers mixed and the rest of our team dont fit. This is a problem because A. They have been made the focus of our defense, B. they are undersized for the down hill run and C. we run a lot of 3-4 d-line calls and pass coverages.

I could go into the nuances of 3-4 vs 4-3 but I doubt you would understand anyway. So sit back, grab a beer and unplug your keyboard because your typing is keeping your from learning something.

I did and I saw you are so stupid that you that you thought Ingram was drafted by the ravens.

Your massive amount of panic after two games is quite hilarious, we were obviously focused on stopping the pass when the runs occurred.

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lol Some of you guys are really good at overreacting. You remind me of those crazy homeless people you see in disaster movies. I wasn't happy with how the backers tacked on that one drive, but that's about it. I'm sure Rivera will get the tackling up to speed. I also find it funny that people are still criticising the Luke pick. Ummmm... for one thing, I didn't see the need of an extra pass rusher after today's game. Relax.

I dont think its overreacting, I hope it is but i dont think it is. Re watch the past two games. Kuechly is an animal, Beason is the best on the defense and second best on the team (Smitty #1), Davis has the biggest heart in the world and Anderson is solid and on the rise. But they are still over matched in size and will continue to give up big runs.

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I did and I saw you are so stupid that you that you thought Ingram was drafted by the ravens.

Your massive amount of panic after two games is quite hilarious, we were obviously focused on stopping the pass when the runs occurred.

So the only way to defend your argument was to point out a typo. Okay I will take that. I typed Melvin Ingram, I meant Upshaw but that is not wat I typed the first time. Now you obviously dont know much about the game of football because you keep using that same rediculous argument. "We were trying to stop the pass"

That is laughable. You must be retarded to say something like that. Yeah offenses are only expected run at obvious times and NFL defenses should only be required to either stop the run or the pass at a time, right? That is what you think? That these guys or these teams dont have to be prepared to do both at any time? Why are you even on a forum. Atleast say something intelligible.

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