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#16 csx

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:48 PM

From a pure dollars standpoint I think it's silly to bicker over the amounts they are talking but as usual there is quite a bit more to it than shelling out some cash.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:48 PM

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#18 csx

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:53 PM

http://sportsillustr...81467/index.htm



Was that supposed to make him look like an apologist? That was pretty cut and dry IMO

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:54 PM

Its a little more complex than just the retirement plan.

The NFL wants to give the refs about a 15% pay raise and the refs want more. The refs should get it.

The NFL wants to shilft the pension to a 401k. Not sure about that one.

The NFL wants to hire a few full time officials for training and other things, the Union is against that. The Union should relent.

The NFL wants to hire more officials. The Union believes this will depress salaries and make it easier to get rid of some officials. THey should meet in the middle. Hire less officials than the NFL wants, but more than the Union wants (the union wants 0).

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:00 PM

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#21 Delhommey

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:01 PM

From everything I've seen from the refs arguments, it's all about the pensions.

Of course they should lose their pensions because all the rest of us have.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:07 PM

From everything I've seen from the refs arguments, it's all about the pensions.

Of course they should lose their pensions because all the rest of us have.



This is what I have seen as well.

But I am of the mind of never offering a pension if I am a government entity or a corp.

I would raise pay, and 401 match, but pensions should be a thing of the past.

Go to work for a town picking up trash at 18 and retire at 48 with 75% of your last three years paychecks. That's absurd. That town would be paying that money in many cases for the next 40 or more years.

Bankrupt.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:14 PM

Go to work for a town picking up trash at 18 and retire at 48 with 75% of your last three years paychecks. That's absurd. That town would be paying that money in many cases for the next 40 or more years.

Bankrupt.


Yeah cause that's exactly what the refs are asking for.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:18 PM

Yeah cause that's exactly what the refs are asking for.



Not saying that they were, just pointing out that NFL is thinking the same as I do on the matter.

It's not hard to understand the logic behind it.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:23 PM

Yeah cause that's exactly what the refs are asking for.


It kind of is.

At least that is similar to what the current deal gives them.

Fwiw, the real sticking point regarding retirement is that the ref's don't want the changes to apply to current employees/ref's. They are ok if the NFL gives it to new hires, just not to existing ones. The NFL wants it to apply to everyone.

#26 Delhommey

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:12 PM

So, in short, the NFL owners are being greedy and treating their employees like easily replaceable commodities.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:23 PM

So, in short, NFL referees believe they should be paid six figures plus a pension for a part-time job and have no in-season accountability for their performance to boot.

Two can play that game.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:28 PM

i bet that old ass turd richardson is leading the charge. he doesnt care if the panthers get buttfuged by the refs, he knows they completely suck ass and doesnt matter.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:29 PM

I was firmly on the side of giving the refs whatever they wanted until I read this thread.....not sure why

#30 Khaki Lackey

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:47 PM

So, in short, NFL referees believe they should be paid six figures plus a pension for a part-time job and have no in-season accountability for their performance to boot.

Two can play that game.

For real. Like there's no greed on the refs side of it.


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