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[hepcat]

Please tell me where we got worse

Secondary (Richard Marshall over Norman), Linebacker, Running Back (because of age), Special Teams.

Might disagree with Linebacker being worse in 2012 with Kuechly drafted and Thomas Davis back from injury, but I'd take pre-injury Beason over the still recovering version in 2012. That alone makes the LB core worse

[nosuchthingasapanther]

Secondary (Richard Marshall over Norman), Linebacker, Running Back (because of age), Special Teams.

Might disagree with Linebacker being worse in 2012 with Kuechly drafted and Thomas Davis back from injury, but I'd take pre-injury Beason over the still recovering version in 2012. That alone makes the LB core worse

people are too hung up on names and history. overall, the lb core definitely got worse.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

My point was that Green Bay subbed in Matt Flynn for one game and he tore it up against a playoff bound Detroit Lions team. He performed so well that Seattle signed him to be their starter but he got beat out by a rookie. Green Bay would still be competitive without Rodgers.

Seattle signed him for 20 million with 10 guaranteed, which isn't good money for a starting quarter back. Especially one that's hit free agency. And the rest of the league had a shot at him and passed. I think everybody just kind of knew that it was a good day against a bad Lions secondary.

I have no idea how they'd be without Rogers. But I do remember how everybody was like "The Bears would be fine with Caleb Hanie at quarterback" after he subbed in for Cutler in the 2010 NFC Championship game. And then he proceeded to vomit on himself with extended playing time. Same thing for Matt Moore here and countless other backups that were hot for a start or two.

I'm just saying, a lot of good teams would be screwed without their starters.

[panther4life]

Secondary (Richard Marshall over Norman), Linebacker, Running Back (because of age), Special Teams.

Might disagree with Linebacker being worse in 2012 with Kuechly drafted and Thomas Davis back from injury, but I'd take pre-injury Beason over the still recovering version in 2012. That alone makes the LB core worse

You have lost your mind. Nobody in their right mind would take Marshall over Norman. Norman has given up 55 yards a game thus far and 0 TD's. What has he done to make you hate him??

Linebacker is an even more ridiculous argument. You think Connor would start over Kuechly right now? Beason is not a 100% true, but Anderson is doing better this year than he did in 2010. Davis as the first backup smokes having nic harris. Then behind him we had jason williams and Senn who we still have. Now we have Jason Phillips instead of Nick Harris.

Special teams we still had a fumble machine in Goodson returning Kicks and Armanti who is still available to return punts if your prefer.

Our coverage units are better too. Kasay had aged at this point and did not have enough leg to handle kickoffs and you must be the only person to miss Jason Baker at punter.

I'm sorry dude but I don't think you have a fuging clue.

[Tony Diesel]

Without Cam Newton, are the 2012 Panthers the worst team in the NFL?

No! The Aints!

[BBQ&Beer]

No... but we'd be in the running.

[Growl]

The bigger question: Minus Cam Newton, from a personnel standpoint, just how different are the 2012 Carolina Panthers from the 2010 Carolina Panthers?

Can you name 5 notable personnel changes?

[TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam]

Saints, Oakland, Colts, Rams, KC

Compete for that title so far thru 3 games.

Browns are the worst. How could you miss them?

[CPF4LIFE]

I said earlier i am very upset with this coaching staff right now. Ron Rivera has not proven yet he is capable of being a head coach, he has yet to really do anything to make this team better. All he has done is talk, the game planning is horrible, to much talent to suck that bad on defense and special teams. Comin out not looking prepared for games is the biggest problem of all, the Giants game looked like there was no preparation whatsoever. Even after the Tampa Bay he said himself they did things we werent prepared for...... Really? Cam has a ways to go before he is a elite QB but this teams isnt really doing anything to help him. Ron Rivera needs to to start making strides ASAP.

[BadMoonRising]

Browns are the worst. How could you miss them?

The browns just played a hell of a game against the Ravens, and I think their defense is pretty solid.