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#41 thefuzz

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:14 AM

All you Hurney apologists always bring up how good he is in the 1st round.

Well no poo.

He has drafted 3 Linebackers and 2 runningbacks out of the 11 selections that he's had in 12 years.

Guess what the best picks are if you don't want to whiff on them?

LB's and RB's. They rarely wash out, and those are the positions that are normally stat poppers. They get loads of tackles and touchdowns, so it looks/seems like it's a great pick.

But there is a downside. LB in a 43, and RB's in today's NFL are not as valuable as the days of yesteryear. They don't equate to winning anymore.

I'm not even going to bring up EB in this one.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:20 AM

Accord to Bill Polian a GM should hit at least 50% on draft picks and I read where Hurney is hitting in the 45% range.After listening to him yesterday on radio 610 I think he is delusional.When ask about our secondary he defended the level of talent both as a unit and specifically Naka and Josh Norman.Now I know he has to defend individual players but not to the extent he did.If you think about it what the hell is he thinking a 5th round pick from a weak division that missed preseason can start at cb in the NFL?I think the guy will be good if his confidence is not shattered by the end of this season.On Naka he stated it was only one bad play that defined his effort against Atlanta and felt other than that he played well.I am sorry but this guy is not a good starting FS.......dont care how you slice it or dice it.From the interview it sounded as though he was about ready to fire himself


Just want to point out that those are Rivera's decisions, not Hurney's. Those guys are both good and proven on special teams, fwiw.

I'm interested in where you're reading about Hurney hitting in the 45% range. Got a link?

I think he'll probably quit in the next year or two if the Panthers don't turn things around. But I still don't think JR will fire him.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:28 AM

All you Hurney apologists always bring up how good he is in the 1st round.

Well no poo.

He has drafted 3 Linebackers and 2 runningbacks out of the 11 selections that he's had in 12 years.

Guess what the best picks are if you don't want to whiff on them?

LB's and RB's. They rarely wash out, and those are the positions that are normally stat poppers. They get loads of tackles and touchdowns, so it looks/seems like it's a great pick.

But there is a downside. LB in a 43, and RB's in today's NFL are not as valuable as the days of yesteryear. They don't equate to winning anymore.

I'm not even going to bring up EB in this one.


His picks in later rounds have proven to be as good as anyone else's. He took a MLB in Beason who nobody ever dare bitch about until his injury. Davis was brought in to stop Vick and help us in our division and if not for injuries would be lauded as one of Hurney's best picks of all time.

He drafted Williams and Stewart to suit Fox's style of play.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:33 AM

witherspoon, draft, muhammad, Peppers, jake

nuff said

ETA: It's funny as hell to start seeing GM hate threads pop up after the season starts. Just sayin' and all but once the season kicks off the GM's work is about 90% over. If he has not got it together by then then he probably won't. So since very few people crucified the guy like this during camp, the draft, pre season, etc. and now I cannot throw a rock in any direction around here without hitting some poster who wants to hang Marty Hurney from his nuts in week 5, I felt the need to formally present this information as exhibit "Q" in the Football Intelligence vs. Carolina Huddle posters case.

And for the record the prosecution "rested" loooong ago.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:34 AM

Hurney can't draft players and catch the ball and make tackles too damnit!

#46 panther4life

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:39 AM

And you can't miss on running backs huh? Was reggie bush worth # 2 overall? Lawrence Maroney # 21, to the Pats? Addai was the other running back drafted in the same class as Willimms in the first in the first round of 06.


Then in 08 Felix Jones and Rashard Mendenhall were the 2 to go directly after Stewart in the first round of 08.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:54 AM

How many of you have taken some time to do some legit research on other GM's and how many misses they have had on 1st round picks, good players they let walk, players they overpaid for, etc?

I have said it before and will say it again. This team should have been blown up from top to bottom after the 09 season including Hurney. JR failed to do this. Instead he said fug everybody but Hurney and I am blowing this poo up and starting over in 11 with Hurney leading the way.

We were a disaster in 2010 and now have talent to get us places 2 years later. Let me remind you guy's JR also decided he would like to save some money on head coaches after Fox left. This could be a reason why candidates like Harbaugh and Cowher were never considered. Fug we were inteverviewing straight bargain bin's and Hurney took the best of what he was allowed to pay for.

The man is doing a fine job all things considered. When you look at the record and ignore everything else then fug Hurney, fug steve smith, fug Cam, fug everyone. The record is an indictment on every single person in the organization from john Kasay to Jerry Richardson. As convient as it is the record simply can not reasonably be pinned on Hurney alone.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:02 PM

How many of you have taken some time to do some legit research on other GM's and how many misses they have had on 1st round picks, good players they let walk, players they overpaid for, etc?

I have... PM me if you want the data.

The bottom line is that Hurney doesn't suck. He's got some problems letting go of players, and he no longer plays free agency like he used to (which, again, may be on orders from above). He's very good at cap management--all these people whining about Jake's contract completely miss the bigger picture on that. He architected a hell of a turn-around for the franchise with John Fox and his early signings. And now he's got a legit franchise QB, and he will be judged going forward by how well the coaches he hired perform.

He's not the best in the league, but he's better than most, and there's no guarantee that a replacement would be an improvement--those aren't more often than not.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:04 PM

And you can't miss on running backs huh? Was reggie bush worth # 2 overall? Lawrence Maroney # 21, to the Pats? Addai was the other running back drafted in the same class as Willimms in the first in the first round of 06.


Then in 08 Felix Jones and Rashard Mendenhall were the 2 to go directly after Stewart in the first round of 08.



RB is one of the "easiest" picks to make, RARELY do you get a straight up bust, and the uneducated fans love the pick as they are stat people.

The picks that win you games are not as sexy as RB's and LB's.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:10 PM

I have... PM me if you want the data.

The bottom line is that Hurney doesn't suck. He's got some problems letting go of players, and he no longer plays free agency like he used to (which, again, may be on orders from above). He's very good at cap management--all these people whining about Jake's contract completely miss the bigger picture on that. He architected a hell of a turn-around for the franchise with John Fox and his early signings. And now he's got a legit franchise QB, and he will be judged going forward by how well the coaches he hired perform.

He's not the best in the league, but he's better than most, and there's no guarantee that a replacement would be an improvement--those aren't more often than not.

you and I are on the same page my friend. I don't come on here to get in pissing matches with other panther fans. I try to enlighten them but for some reason people will never swallow their internet pride and realize the error in their thought process. I have never claimed Hurney is the best in biz and its reallty impossible to pinpoint exactly who is because their is so many variables and such that come into play. I just want everyone to realize he does not suck and is actually above average when it comes to doing his job.


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