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#25 CRA

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:37 PM

Have to hit a wide open receiver when the game is on the line. Sorry.


not claiming he shouldn't....

Issue is Cam hitting that TE doesn't solve the huge issues with this team. They start with the coaches.....not Cam.

You don't see a problem with going to Brockel on 4th 1 vs......instead of running our expensive backfield or Cam just diving over the pile? Chud is an idiot.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:40 PM

One read and run college option QB is all I'm seeing from him! And last year they were always playing from behind were they had to pass and teams were mostly playing zone prevent! Maybe they should put Edwards at QB might get better results!!!!!!! ;)


35 pass attempts/game through the first half of 2011. that's hardly "one read and run" and you, of course, actually know that but you're a troll. one read and run is the offense armanti edwards ran in college by the way.

your gimmick was never funny or interesting. get a new one. maybe start calling for us to bench stewart and start armond smith.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:41 PM

damn so the players who dont execute hold no fault?

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:43 PM

No need for 76 posts trying to pin blame on a 23 yr old kid still learning the toughest position in all of sports when it is glaring what the problem is.....

Chud, Rivera and Marty.....that is the reason we see such slop.

is it Cams's fault Double Trouble had a combined 23 rushings yards (26 if we add Tolbert)? No

Is it Double Trouble's fault? No.

Is it the OLs fault they are asked to pass protect almost every down for a quirky offense that put the world on Cams's shoulders? No.

Issue is painfully obvious....the coaches and GM are doing 2 different things. The real problem is.....both have painfully flawed plans so it isn't as if getting on the same page would make us great right now.

We don't need to give Rivera more time. Move on after this year. He isn't a HC. Chud is a bad match for Cam. Doesn't gameplan to help a young QB grow and play to his strengths.....he focus' on simply highlighting him every snap which is the recipe for ruining a young QB. I have always endorsed building an offense around #1.....but that doesn't mean he should be the offense. That doesn't work and is lazy and above all.....dumb.





And Steve Smith is a hypocritical prick.....and I said it when he lashed out through the media weeks ago. 89 is as immature as it gets. Doesn't matter if he can say the right things when he cools off away from football.....in a football environment he is immature.


I wish there was a virtual, non-gay blowjob pie for this post.

Actually, no I don't... Regular pie will do, lol.

Awesome post, couldn't agree more. It's what I've been saying to everyone as well, but people get these ideas and refuse to let them go. Perception.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:04 PM

No need for 76 posts trying to pin blame on a 23 yr old kid still learning the toughest position in all of sports when it is glaring what the problem is.....

Chud, Rivera and Marty.....that is the reason we see such slop.

is it Cams's fault Double Trouble had a combined 23 rushings yards (26 if we add Tolbert)? No

Is it Double Trouble's fault? No.

Is it the OLs fault they are asked to pass protect almost every down for a quirky offense that put the world on Cams's shoulders? No.

Issue is painfully obvious....the coaches and GM are doing 2 different things. The real problem is.....both have painfully flawed plans so it isn't as if getting on the same page would make us great right now.

We don't need to give Rivera more time. Move on after this year. He isn't a HC. Chud is a bad match for Cam. Doesn't gameplan to help a young QB grow and play to his strengths.....he focus' on simply highlighting him every snap which is the recipe for ruining a young QB. I have always endorsed building an offense around #1.....but that doesn't mean he should be the offense. That doesn't work and is lazy and above all.....dumb.


Totally agree, there's too much talent on this offense to perform the way that they do.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:14 PM

Part of the issues has to be on Cam. No need to bring up his age when he did pretty darn well last year, a year younger and less experienced. Is he the only issue? No, but he doesn't get a pass.

He was wildly inaccurate today. He never seems to hit those short dump off passes/screens with any accuracy. Our RBs always have to catch them off balance or not at all. He targeted Smith way too much and didn't hit our leading receiver until late.

I don't think it's physical but more mental for Cam. He has all the tools in the world but his mind doesn't seem to be right. With all of this coming out about him being a sore loser, it makes sense. He might feel like he is responsible for our lousy performances and it's taking a toll. I will say he needs to "grow up" a bit and be able to handle his emotions better. It's great that he hates to lose but he can't let his emotions affect his play.

I have said that Hurney needs to go. He is the root of our problem.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:36 PM

It wasn't like DWill had a man on him already when he fumbled, or that Smith was in traffic when he dropped a pass. Or that Stewart was hit by two people when he fumbled.

Pros are supposed to be pros and those are the plays they are expected to make.

That play is pitch and catch for most teams, we've been burned by the Saints and the Falcons on that very same play plenty of times.
Cam isn't in the same league as Brees an Ryan is that what you are saying?

Or should we call some more college plays and bring in pro QBs for the pro style plays?


lol. no he isn't....yet. Are you fuging slow or do you honestly believe this is an argument? How many years have these guys been in the league?

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:41 PM

Brees and Ryan are NFL vets. Brees took years and Ryan is finally becoming an elite QB after 4 years as well. Cam's career is still very young. But we need the right coaches in place to help him along the way. I'm not sure Rivera is the leader Cam needs.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:53 PM

Part of the issues has to be on Cam. No need to bring up his age when he did pretty darn well last year, a year younger and less experienced. Is he the only issue? No, but he doesn't get a pass.

He was wildly inaccurate today. He never seems to hit those short dump off passes/screens with any accuracy. Our RBs always have to catch them off balance or not at all. He targeted Smith way too much and didn't hit our leading receiver until late.

I don't think it's physical but more mental for Cam. He has all the tools in the world but his mind doesn't seem to be right. With all of this coming out about him being a sore loser, it makes sense. He might feel like he is responsible for our lousy performances and it's taking a toll. I will say he needs to "grow up" a bit and be able to handle his emotions better. It's great that he hates to lose but he can't let his emotions affect his play.

I have said that Hurney needs to go. He is the root of our problem.


His age and experience simply matter.....Brees and Brady couldn't put a team on their back 21 games into their careers.....

yes, Cam is responsible for his failures. However, if you need 1 yard....and your QB has struggled all game with short throw accuracy ....and you have big long tank in Cam and a highly paid backfield (that has proven they can get that yard on the ground ......it is coaching that decides how they are going to use their players to get a yard.

Just bc a player fails doesn't mean it is all on a player. The coaching flaws and errors are glaring.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:57 PM

Yeah but if Cam is put in a position to succeed, like throwing to an open receiver, not sure how the majority of the blame can be placed on the play call.

I understand what you are saying but Cam should be able to make that pass. It's not too much to ask for.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:58 PM

There are some many problems with this team IDK where to start. It goes from the top to the bottom and this prob should be Marty Hurneys last year.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:06 AM

35 pass attempts/game through the first half of 2011. that's hardly "one read and run" and you, of course, actually know that but you're a troll. one read and run is the offense armanti edwards ran in college by the way.

your gimmick was never funny or interesting. get a new one. maybe start calling for us to bench stewart and start armond smith.


One read and run college option QB is all I'm seeing from him!


This year 2012!! Yeah Armanti can run it better and he don't throw lame duck passes to open guys in the end zone! :rolleyes: