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#37 carolina-chuck

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:10 PM

With Chico here, I miss Foxy so much

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:42 PM

Fox with Chud would've been so dirty. And Ron Meeks staying at DC wouldn't have been bad either. He did very well with the sh*thole he was forced to work with in '09.


Chud would be running 3rd down draws with DA all day....it is a well known fact Fox put his thumb print on the offense here. OCs couldn't do there own thing

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:51 AM

The Panthers went 12-4 that season despite Delhomme, not because of him.

He had been regressing as a QB since 2005 and was fully capable of having terrible games like Arizona all season. What was shocking is that it all went downhill so quickly and before you knew it the Panthers were one and done in the playoffs.

At the very least, a QB should have been drafted as part of the future after the 2008 debacle if not before then. But, as always, management was far too loyal to a player whose time was up. Look at where the Jets are now with Sanchez

Loyalty within an organization is a great thing to have, but there comes a point where you have to evaluate players based on their current production and where they fit in terms of the overall direction of the team. The biggest problem with Hurney is that he is loyal to a fault with current players, hence the 100 million dollars tied up in the backfield on a passing team with a dual-threat QB and pick ups from the FA scrap heap in terms of depth.


You forget that we actually had our QB of the future already in Matt Moore, he played really well as a starter in 07 (2-1 record that should have been 3-0 if not for some bulls__t PI calls agains the cowboys).


Of course it turned out that he was not the real deal as a starter, but there was no way of knowing that at the time.


Besides, lacking a 1st, which one of Pat White, Stephen McGee, Rhett Bomar, Nate Davis, Tom Brandstater, Mike Teel, Keith Null (which we actually had at a point :)) or Curtis Painter do you propose we should have drafted?

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:25 AM

Fox is/will be considered a success in Denver because he was considered a mediocrity in Charlotte. He is a good coach. He just did not want to be here. Just like Peppers.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:47 AM

Fox is/will be considered a success in Denver because he was considered a mediocrity in Charlotte. He is a good coach. He just did not want to be here. Just like Peppers.


Peppers didn't want to be here...

Fox got shown the door. He didn't want to be here once he was told he was being shown the door and they would start the rebuilding process while he was still here.

Fox is a decent coach. He actually is in a decent spot now....maybe he will let a HOF QB just run his offense. Bc Fox's thumb print on an offense is what keeps him from being great (along with stubborn player management)

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:22 AM

Good coach with a flawed offensive mindset.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:10 AM

average coach with a flawed offensive mindset.

fixed.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:18 AM

Denver Broncos are about to prove that John Fox can be a successful head coach when he works with a competent organization.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:21 AM

Denver Broncos are about to prove that John Fox can be a successful head coach when he works with a competent organization.


Shouldn't that read when given one is the greatest QBs in NFL history?

Pretty sure Denver wasn't known for there competency prior to this year

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:25 AM

Shouldn't that read when given one is the greatest QBs in NFL history?

Pretty sure Denver wasn't known for there competency prior to this year


They have had a few off years, just like every other NFL team, but have been very successful compared to the Panthers. So Peyton or no, I would consider them a competent organization.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:48 AM

Shouldn't that read when given one is the greatest QBs in NFL history?


How many years did fans in Carolina say we needed a better QB / more imaginative offense? Things never changed even when our OCs did.

Broncos quickly recognized not only Fox's strengths, but also his weaknesses and have created a winning formula in Denver by bringing in the offensive talent needed to balance Fox's defensive strengths.

Pretty sure Denver wasn't known for there competency prior to this year


John Elway has only been in place since Jan 2011. Indications are good that he has figured out how to utilize Fox's talents more effectively in a year, than Carolina management did given 9 years.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:49 PM

Denver Broncos are about to prove that John Fox can be a successful head coach when he works with a competent organization.

Shouldn't that read when given one is the greatest QBs in NFL history?

and in a historically horrible division.

and right now he's sitting where he essentially was last year. sitting right at .500 as part of that horrible division with one of the best QBs to ever play the game.

what i'm more interested in is this...where do they go from here? not just the rest of the season, but what exactly are they going to do next year and the years after that? anyone expecting peyton to keep on playing? what is their plan? what QB are they grooming? how big is that window of opportunity for that team? how long is it going to be open?

seems like he's doing the exact same thing there he was here. being just barely good enough to get by for the most part with a team that he doesn't have to waste any time developing.

with the panthers, this is a young team with a very young QB who can be one of the best the league has ever seen. the window of opportunity is a long way from closing in fact it's just beginning to open. this team isn't going to stay bad for much longer.

i expect fox to do what he did here...peak early and then fizzle out all though i doubt his peaking there will be an appearance in a superbowl.

i think it's acceptable for people to be questioning whether or not rivera was the right call...but missing the "good old days" of an average coach? meh...that's just got apathetic all over it. if you're going to wish for a better coach than the one we have, why not shoot for one that isn't a lifetime .500 coach? quit looking backward and try looking forward.