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#217 Lumps


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:29 PM

I just found out hol fug YES!


i am a pure jr hater but for this....for this he gets some respect from me back. a little late but better late than never.

hopefully he told Rivera to shape the fug up, full control, no excuses

#218 iamcline


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:38 PM

If we go just by drafts then this year's draft has to be considered his best since 2008...but apparently that's not what got him canned.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:07 PM

All I know is JR better take a good look at Marc Ross the Giants college scouting.director by far my favorite candidate and.has been for years.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:11 PM

Let us hope this gets better no worse

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:39 PM

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 09:04 PM

I've been hyper-critical of Hurney for several years.

Before the season, I posted a comment that, out of deference to the pro-Hurney people on this site, I would wait until the end of the season to post about Hurney again. Due to circumstances, I feel OK about posting now.

Jerry had to act now because of the fiasco against dallas. Jerry must have looked out from the mother suite and saw the truth…the real state of the franchise: his stadium taken over by the evil empire. He must have heard the abuse we received from the fast food workers also known as cowgirl fans.

So Jerry had to send a message. "I feel your pain so I'm going to do something drastic to stop the bleeding."

After that loss, he knew he risked losing his fan base. About 40% didn’t even show up and the 60% probably, like me, were asking, “why do I pay for this?”

The hope is the fan base will go, "OK...Jerry fired the guy most of us hated so I'm OK about buying my season tickets again next year. And if we still miss the playoffs in 2013 then we're heading in the right direction because we have a new GM."

Truth is we might not get a new GM. Jerry has worked the GM/Head Coach thing in different ways. He might end up hiring a new coach who wants to be the GM. Or maybe we’ll return to the days when Mark Richardson went on the radio to say that personnel moves (like the Sean ‘Fatty’ Gilbert deal) were a “Panthers decision” ...whatever that meant.

Over the past weeks, I've come to realize that the problem is the owner. It's not an easy thing to write.

He does not know how to hire, and keep, top quality executives and coaches. Seifert. His sons. Polian. Hurney. Fox. The record since inception is poor, in part, because the men in charge have been awful…or shown promise, then become awful. Or they just got fed up with Jerry and walked out the door.

I have zero faith in Jerry's ability to hire a replacement GM (or coach, if it comes to that) who will help us compete for a Super Bowl. Why should I?

And I have no reason to believe that the very top candidates will want to be here after the way he treated Bill Polian and John Fox. If you're the new GM, on your first day, you will walk into your office and find a big, fat, steamy pile of fecal matter on your desk...the 'ordure' from the big cash handed to the core of the team that went 2-14.

Based on the owner's track record, there's no reason to be optimistic about this franchise and I hate to be so pessimistic, especially on a day I thought would be exciting and the start of a new start. OK. Marty Hurney can now return to journalism…so what?

The atmosphere in the front office is clearly toxic, chaotic, and edgy. If you're a highly sought-after candidate for a GM job, would you want to work here?

Who knows how much Jerry meddles in personnel and coaching decisions...the answer is irrelevant. Until Jerry sells the team, which is extremely unlikely, we'll be doomed to the same record Jerry has produced since he brought the team here.

There is, however, a silver lining.

Unlike the other Jerry (who also hasn’t produced much of anything in the last several seasons), our Jerry has partners in the ownership structure. We rarely, if ever, hear about the partners. I know some of them personally and even worked for one: these guys don’t mess around and I imagine most of them were there on Sunday. They probably received some abuse from the fast food workers also known as cowgirl fans. They, too, must be livid and I’m somewhat confident the partners will demand that Jerry make changes.

And there’s us, the fans…the people who buy the tickets and the beers and the stuff and take the abuse from the invading fans.

If we stop renewing our tickets and stop buying the beers and stop buying the stuff then Jerry will get the message…perhaps where it hurts the most…in his wallet.

Yes…I wanted to see Hurney go but I feel no happier now.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:27 AM

I bet he gets a job with the broncos in some compacity

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:29 PM

I bet he gets a job with the broncos in some compacity

Assuming he still wants the work, I think an offer would be likely. After reviewing the last 10 years of Panther drafts, Hurney's best drafts were with Fox, so they seem to work well together.

UpperDeck must be right about Jerry's meddling in draft day decisions. Clearly, Jerry sacked the team leading up to the last CBA, and if he were cutting players and refusing to sign free agents, and since that was his game, it should also be obvious his strategy would include draft day meddling too. Why only meddle in that year?

It's an owner's right sure, but I tend to agree that once the media finds out (not that they have) that an owner has been putting pressure on a GM/HC to make certain personnel decisisons, the angle is presented negatively. I know when Shanahan took the Skins job, he said he wouldn't take it if Snyder meddled in his decisions(I'll take Haynesworthless for 100 million, Alex?). Non-interference by his owner was a condition of his accepting the position. Now, they are doing well in one of the toughest divisions.

Richardson is not a committee man, he's a tyrant. It's his way or the highway. That is reflected not only with the Panthers, but elsewhere in non-football business. Throughout the last CBA process, he was the immutable enforcer. When you need one of those, they are invaluable. When you don't need one of those, they are a big liability.

When looking for a GM, a meddlesome tyrant is a liability. Hate to agree, but I do.