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How long before we start winning now?

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The team itself has a LOT of talent. Any team with Cam Newton is going to be competitive. And the Panthers aren't out there getting blown out (has only happened once this year - to the reigning champs no less). I think the team shows up against the Bears but we're going to see the same result.

So to answer the question, next season. As long as the incompetent Ron Rivera is head coach, the Panthers will be horrible.

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However long it takes to replace the coaches. Hurney was a big problem but far from the only one.

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2 years 10 months and 26 days

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I think we win starting this second half of the season

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Message sent: Produce or get ready to rent the U-haul.

I say we see a different attitude beginning next Sunday. Not saying we win, but a new attitude will be a huge improvement. As optimistic as the next guy, until mathematically eliminated - we still have a shot at a decent season. I think JR saw this as the last chance to "send the message" while there is still time to salvage a season that would be an improvement from last year.

HC needs to "read tween the lines" on this. New GM will mean he needs to turn it around and show a good reason to retain him. I wouldn't be surprised if things look bad again next week, you might see another headline regarding offense next Monday.

I look at it like this - if the season is lost, then why wait 1 minute longer to indoctrinate your team to a new philosophy. Now, right now the season is not totally lost - so there is still time for the coaching staff to get a clue and alter their course.

Hey Chud - the defintion of insanity is doing the same thing over and over (read option) and expecting a different result. Maybe you need to read tween the lines today as well.

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as soon as RR is sent packing we will start winning

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false...according to this link....http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/deangelo-williams/

We still owe him 9.6 million in guarantees and his scheduled cap hit next season is 8.7.. So we could cut him for future benefit but it would cost us 700k in net cap space.

If we waited until after the 13 season we could cut him for 6.4 million vs his cap hit of 9.2 of the 14 season which would save us 2.8 million that season plus 10.2 the next.

Not quite right...

The $9.6 million is money that has already been paid, but has not yet hit as a cap charge. He got a signing bonus of $16 million and it was a 5 year deal. While DWill already got all the cash, for cap purposes, the $16 million is divided up among the 5 years of the deal. So, we could cut him tomorrow, and JR would not have to pay him a penny more (except the balance of his 2012 salary), but $9.6 million would hit the cap.

The one out is that we can divide that cap hit up over 2 years if we do it after the beginning of the league year in March. Under the new CBA, we can designate 2 players as post June 1st cuts, but do it early, i.e. in March. That's what we did with Wharton last year.

So, if we do that, we take a $4.8 million cap hit next year. but we save his salary of $4.75 million. In other words, it's pretty much a wash.

We could take a similar approach with Beason. In both cases, we already have their replacements on the roster in Stewart and Kuechly. That is not the case with CJ for example. Not only would we take the cap hit, we would have to replace him with a DE not on the roster, and those don't come cheap.

I hope this explanation was helpful.

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Hell naw....

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October 28, 2012

of course

nice...wait a minute, did you start "THAT" thread early?...slickster!

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With the right head coach and GM... Next year!

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Message sent: Produce or get ready to rent the U-haul.

I say we see a different attitude beginning next Sunday. Not saying we win, but a new attitude will be a huge improvement. As optimistic as the next guy, until mathematically eliminated - we still have a shot at a decent season. I think JR saw this as the last chance to "send the message" while there is still time to salvage a season that would be an improvement from last year.

HC needs to "read tween the lines" on this. New GM will mean he needs to turn it around and show a good reason to retain him. I wouldn't be surprised if things look bad again next week, you might see another headline regarding offense next Monday.

I look at it like this - if the season is lost, then why wait 1 minute longer to indoctrinate your team to a new philosophy. Now, right now the season is not totally lost - so there is still time for the coaching staff to get a clue and alter their course.

Hey Chud - the defintion of insanity is doing the same thing over and over (read option) and expecting a different result. Maybe you need to read tween the lines today as well.

^^THIS^^ I'll bet Old Ron is pulling a Dom Capers, held up in his office every night this week watching film on Chicago...The Heat Is On.

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If we go 7-9 this season that would be nice

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