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Is Rivera a real issue and GM thoughts

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Rivera, is he really the issue or was he handcuffed being a new HC all this time? The guy looks like on the sidelines he wants to do something but hasn't been allowed to imho.

A guy not talked about that has had real success in the NFL and still keeps up is Charlie Casserly. Now I don't know if he would come back, but I have to think he would be a great pick to re tool this team.

And I do use the term 're tool' not 'Re build' Because I don't think we need to rebuild. I think many pieces are in place esp with the Offensive line, RB's etc. But Hurney just flat refused to find a true #2 WR and to be honest we are going to need a true #1 soon as well. I feel we have a damn good starting TE that needs to be used better.

Hurney also refused to address DT the way it should be. When we were at our best we had one of (if not THE) best DL in football. Nothing changes, you need a great line. I feel we are hands down in good shape at LB esp when Beaston (yes I am saying BEASTon for a reason) is 100% esp with our stud rookie.

DB's are still an issue but a better DL makes a secondary look so much better.

I feel on offense we need to get back to doing what we are built to do, run the ball first to set up the pass, and hit the TE more. (note I am not taking shots at the current QB situation, this is just a fact I am going to post....) for any young QB the TE is THE Best friend (outside the running game) he has. Many forget that the KGun in Buffalo in the 90's was NOT named for Jim Kelly, but for TE Keith McKellar. HOF QB Kelly has said repeatedly, you MUST use the TE for young QB's. We have a damn good one, use him.

the read option, it just has to go period. I don't care if they have just 15 passing and 10 running plays and just change up personnel and looks, but simplify the damn offense, quit this read option poo and lets start establishing the run and use play action.

That said I know there are some up and coming GM's but maybe we need one that has been established with some success (and none are perfect) to get this thing back on track.

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No, its Cams fault.

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[quote name='YoungPanthers89' timestamp='1351006998' post='1959300']
No, its Cams fault.
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Did I mention him in this post? No. Now discuss the subject in the post and leave the other issue out of it like I did.

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Where's the Cam part?

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I dont think it was Hurney telling him to run that read option mess or to call a timeout during the 2 minute warning.That is bad coaching
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Get the fug outta here, stop trying to save face.

You went full retard this Sunday, never go full retard.

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If you look at last year we used a lot of two tight end sets and had many plays that got Cam easy throws early and on first down. For some reason we decided to go to just a spread option look and it isn't working and I think has played a major role in Cam's struggles this year.

As far as the read option in general, I actually like it. But last year we had our success with it on 2nd and 3rd down. It is highly effective in those 2 and 5 and 3 and short situations when the defense is a little tighter to the line of scrimmage and is more eager to clamp down on the running backs and have bad angles on the outside.

I think we put the cart before the horse this season and our offense is paying the price.

But I really miss having two tight ends and I think Cam misses it too.

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Who ever made the decision to leave a conventional offense for the read option is who should have been fired.

It should have been done though, when they brought it up!

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I wonder if Rivera has said "If I am on a thin rope then let me run the team my way for the rest of the year."

Personnel, play calling etc.

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[quote name='Bwood' timestamp='1351007217' post='1959308']
Get the fug outta here, stop trying to save face.

You went full retard this Sunday, never go full retard.
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LOL.

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[quote name='Highlandfire' timestamp='1351006802' post='1959297']
Rivera, is he really the issue or was he handcuffed being a new HC all this time? The guy looks like on the sidelines he wants to do something but hasn't been allowed to imho.
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Yeah, and that something is 'take a nap'.
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[quote name='jarhead' timestamp='1351007141' post='1959306']
I dont think it was Hurney telling him to run that read option mess or to call a timeout during the 2 minute warning.That is bad coaching
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I think OP is implying that Cam makes those calls.
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Ron Rivera's DEF is getting better, but IMO Chuds needs to be put on a short leash.......... Cam's slump is being caused by Chud's play calling.

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pretty much anything the OP says from now on is only going to be seen as "cam is of the devil".

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[quote name='teeray' timestamp='1351007250' post='1959310']
If you look at last year we used a lot of two tight end sets and had many plays that got Cam easy throws early and on first down. For some reason we decided to go to just a spread option look and it isn't working and I think has played a major role in Cam's struggles this year.

As far as the read option in general, I actually like it. But last year we had our success with it on 2nd and 3rd down. It is highly effective in those 2 and 5 and 3 and short situations when the defense is a little tighter to the line of scrimmage and is more eager to clamp down on the running backs and have bad angles on the outside.

I think we put the cart before the horse this season and our offense is paying the price.

But I really miss having two tight ends and I think Cam misses it too.
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I think the 'ACE' formation is a good one as well. You can still have a great running game out of it.
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Casserly is a weird case. He always comes across as very knowledgeable and his draft record with the Skins and Texans were overall pretty good (he sucked at selecting QBs though). Left the Texans when they were spinning their wheels through multiple seasons. Also won executive of the year at one point.

But you have to wonder why nobody has come knocking since then, as he's been in broadcasting now for quite a while.

RE: Rivera - I have yet to see anything at all that shows promise as a head coach. He still struggles with clock management, he struggles with timeouts, the Panthers have lacked in fundamentals since he got here and appear to be going the wrong direction, he was ok shifting to the crap offensive plan of this season, jettisoning a scheme that worked very well the season prior, he seems to really rely on his coordinators to call their side of the game with no input or guidance, his first draft class (with a few exceptions) looks horrible, and while I know it really doesn't matter that much and is a little cliche right now, I dislike his "wish I were somewhere else" stare into the middle distance demeanor while we're falling apart on the field. While I know the OP disagrees, the only really obvious good thing he's done was drafting Newton #1 overall.

His coordinator record speaks for itself, and I'm not bashing that.

For the GM search in general, we NEED to get someone who is excellent at evaluating talent. Not good, but excellent. We've missed on quite a few drafts now and really need to hit a couple of homeruns to re-stock. We're also in a little bit of cap trouble and will need to rely on picks more than some other teams until we right the ship.

Past that, I'm pretty ignorant about the whole GM thing. Just please get someone in who knows talent.

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Casserly is a weird case. He always comes across as very knowledgeable and his draft record with the Skins and Texans were overall pretty good (he sucked at selecting QBs though). Left the Texans when they were spinning their wheels through multiple seasons. Also won executive of the year at one point.

But you have to wonder why nobody has come knocking since then, as he's been in broadcasting now for quite a while.

RE: Rivera - I have yet to see anything at all that shows promise as a head coach. He still struggles with clock management, he struggles with timeouts, the Panthers have lacked in fundamentals since he got here and appear to be going to wrong direction, he was ok shifting to the crap offensive plan of this season, jettisoning a scheme that worked very well the season prior, he seems to really rely on his coordinators to call their side of the game with no input or guidance, his first draft class (except for a few exceptions) looks horrible, and while I know it really doesn't matter that much and is a little cliche right now, I really dislike his "wish I were somewhere else" stare into the middle distance demeanor while we're falling apart on the field. While I know the OP disagrees, the only really obvious good thing he's done was drafting Newton #1 overall.

His coordinator record speaks for itself, and I'm not bashing that.

For the GM search in general, we NEED to get someone who is excellent at evaluating talent. Not good, but excellent. We've missed on quite a few drafts now and really need to hit a couple of homeruns to re-stock. We're also in a little bit of cap trouble and will need to rely on picks more than some other teams until we right the ship.

Past that, I'm pretty ignorant about the whole GM thing. Just please get someone in who knows talent.
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That is why I like Casserly, look at how his last draft with the Texans went 3 probowlers in one draft. He does have a really good eye for talent and I think that is what we need. And I don't mean the first rounders, we need to hit on 2nd- undrafted free agents and that is something Hurney has had issue with.

I have some concerns with Rivera as well. I want to believe this guy is the real deal but why did no one else pick him during the numerous interviews he had with various teams in regards to their HC positions? I am going to give him this year but he needs to step it up in the ways you are talking about or I feel he and the entire staff are canned after our last game.

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We will see...

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I just want to see what Rivera can do with a better offensive coordinator and scheme

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I just don't buy this notion of Rivera being handcuffed before all this. He's shown nothing, even in the small details.

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I had thought Rivera was interviewed so many times but not hired because he satisfied the Rooney Rule... At least thats the excuse I told myself... Could be more than that, in light of recent events...

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