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#16 MHS831

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:52 PM

i saw someone point out yesterday that no one has even attempted a hail mary in that situation since '02.


The element of surprise is always on our side. Nobody can predict our next move. Next week: The third down punt.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:57 PM

take a shot at what?

kicking and punting the way we did was great strategy.


A shot was a bad word. I meant take a chance on your special teams unit. Giving up good field position on every kickoff takes a toll on your defense. Really in the Bears touchdown drive there were only two significant plays. An 11 yard catch by Marshall and a 14 yard catch by Forte. When the Bears pulled their main blockers and started putting in receivers and tail backs on the special teams unit at least have some faith in your team to make a play on Hester.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:02 PM

If they had kicked to Hester and he burned them you can bet your ass everyone here would be ripping him for it.

If they had been playing tight coverage and Marshall caught a deep ball and scored at TD everyone would be pointing to the Atlanta game and ripping him for letting a receiver get deep.

I think he's a weak coach but it's just getting silly to the point of absurdity here in finding things to complain about.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:05 PM

A shot was a bad word. I meant take a chance on your special teams unit. Giving up good field position on every kickoff takes a toll on your defense. Really in the Bears touchdown drive there were only two significant plays. An 11 yard catch by Marshall and a 14 yard catch by Forte. When the Bears pulled their main blockers and started putting in receivers and tail backs on the special teams unit at least have some faith in your team to make a play on Hester.


Why? it worked all day.

I think what your quoting there is the shanked punt possession.That wasn't RR fault.

The undeniable truth is that the kicking strategy worked. It took away a weapon.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:27 PM

Here are some other undeniable truths. We started behind the 20 five times that game. Devin Hester has returned 5 kick returns for touchdowns in his carrier. 151 other times he's been stopped. To say that the special teams unit couldn't make a stop when primary blockers aren't on the field is embarrassing. That shows a lack of faith in every player on that special teams unit.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:31 PM

If they had kicked to Hester and he burned them you can bet your ass everyone here would be ripping him for it.

If they had been playing tight coverage and Marshall caught a deep ball and scored at TD everyone would be pointing to the Atlanta game and ripping him for letting a receiver get deep.

I think he's a weak coach but it's just getting silly to the point of absurdity here in finding things to complain about.


Then please tell me why we traded for Colin Jones? Our special teams coverage has been dramatically better this year, they had perfect field position almost every time. If Hester didn't even return a td or a respectable return against Detroit then I doubt he would have against us. Hester is getting old.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:34 PM

That last minute D was played for a reason, so we didn't give up the deep ball. Should we have adjusted? That might have opened a hole. We were almost getting to Cutler to with just the front four. Maybe Norman should have played up? Maybe we should have brought a safety over or had a LB drop back in that area. We contained the bleeding, it wasn't necessarily a prevent defense.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:47 PM

Then please tell me why we traded for Colin Jones? Our special teams coverage has been dramatically better this year, they had perfect field position almost every time. If Hester didn't even return a td or a respectable return against Detroit then I doubt he would have against us. Hester is getting old.


The thing is you are complaining about a situation that arguable only lead to 7 points for Chicago under the assumption that the punt leading to their first 7 points was intentionally short. It went to Hester anyway. Their other two tds came off their interception and the other was a horribly botched kick by Nortman. Their final FG scoring drive started from their 22. I'm looking for where this strategy backfired.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:50 PM

The thing is you are complaining about a situation that arguable only lead to 7 points for Chicago under the assumption that the punt leading to their first 7 points was intentionally short. It went to Hester anyway. Their other two tds came off their interception and the other was a horribly botched kick by Nortman. Their final FG scoring drive started from their 22. I'm looking for where this strategy backfired.

the only issue i see is regarding starting field position. we may have gotten into the endzone more had we started off closer on at least one of those drives.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:54 PM

the only issue i see is regarding starting field position. we may have gotten into the endzone more had we started off closer on at least one of those drives.


I'm not saying it was the best strategy but people want to bash the coaching now, it's the popular thing to do. We know by now this team sucks but it's become a competition to figure out how to blame every single thing on the coaching staff as if people don't want to pin an ounce of blame on the players for bad play.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:56 PM

I'm not saying it was the best strategy but people want to bash the coaching now, it's the populare thing to do. We know by now this team sucks but it's become a competition to figure out how to blame every single thing on the coaching staff as if people don't want to pin an ounce of blame on the players for bad play.

agreed.

of all the things to complain about regarding the coaching staff, this one is rather weak.

i guess if you're going to nit-pick, tho, have at it.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:58 PM

agreed.

of all the things to complain about regarding the coaching staff, this one is rather weak.

i guess if you're going to nit-pick, tho, have at it.



They were held to 7 points into the 4th quarter and bad plays by our players blew it. How can that be overlooked?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:01 PM

They were held to 7 points into the 4th quarter and bad plays by our players blew it. How can that be overlooked?

well...bad plays and bad coverage scheme at the end.

it's the same story every week. combo of bad playcalling and mistakes by players at the wrong time.

no one gets off the hook.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:05 PM

I started this off by complaining about a coaching staff that went beyond playing conservative to just plain outright scared. I really disagree that this team sucks. I think they have great players on both sides of the ball. I do give credit to the players for great play on defense as well as offense.

The pressure on Cutler was brought by a four man rush which cause six sacks, two fumbles, and one and a half interceptions. I give credit to the D line, a historically weak O line for Cutler and good coverage by our secondary. All in all though none of those playcalls showed any type of aggressive play to me.

As far as players that need to be held accountable, the worst play of the game in my mind is Nortman's kick. Whose bad play lost this game?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:09 PM

Whose bad play lost this game?


Nortman's kick

The pick six, whether it was on Newton or Smith or both or just bad luck due to a "slip" but it was a player issue regardless.



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